Economy & Budget

Once again, Obama’s record wins it for Romney

Once again, Obama's record wins it for Romney

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney couldn’t match his soaring first debate performance in a rematch with Barack Obama … but considering it was often a two-on-one, he didn’t do that poorly either.

And after taking a drubbing in the first presidential debate, a re-energized President Barack Obama vowed to bring passion to Hofstra University. He did. Feeling better in the more tranquil altitude of Long Island, the president deployed all his populist hits.

On style points it was close, but it’s unlikely anyone won by a wide enough margin to alter the fundamentals of the race. And as a CBS News snap poll found, 65 percent thought Romney would do a better job on the economy and only 34 percent believed Obama would – though the president scored a 37 to 30 overall win over Romney, with 33 percent believing it was a tie.

A big storyline for conservatives was moderator Candy Crowley, who injected herself into the mix to aid Obama. But a bigger story should be how she used a contrived Townhall setting to pick predominately slanted and loaded questions about the “evils” of guns, unfair pay practices and a mass imagined “outsourcing” of American jobs from our cast of allegedly undecided voters. Almost all questions played to Obama’s advantage, though few were especially relevant to this election.

Not that it was an excuse. Candidates should be prepared to answer any and all comers. And in the end, though Romney might have missed a chance to hit Obama on his Libya distortions, on the economy, even an invigorated Obama couldn’t overcome one nagging problem: His record. When it was time to defend four years of stagnation, Obama bent time and space and blamed Mitt Romney.

In turn, Romney’s most effective moment came when he laid out the administration’s unmet promises. “What you’re seeing in this country is 23 million people struggling to find a job. The president’s policies have been exercised over the last four years and they haven’t put Americans back to work.” Romney pointed out that growth had slowed year to year and the unemployment numbers looked better than reality as workers have fled the labor market – factors that voters might not understand when reading headlines.

Though most of the debate rehashed ongoing campaign arguments, there were some new nuggets of interest.

In a night of protectionist rhetoric from both candidates, the president accused Romney of supported tax breaks to companies that offshore jobs, explaining that “If you invest overseas, you don’t have to pay U.S. taxes.” Obama is apparently referring to a “territorial tax system” supported by the Simpson-Bowles Commission (and Romney) that allows companies to bring foreign-earned profits back to the country without taxation. This idea has pretty broad bipartisan support.

Obama — reminding everyone, early and often, how shockingly rich the GOP candidate is —  claimed that Romney, in a 60 Minutes interview, was asked, “Is it fair for somebody like you, making $20 million a year, to pay a lower tax rate than a nurse or a bus driver, somebody making $50,000 year? And he said, “Yes, I think that’s fair.” Not only that, he said, “I think that’s what grows the economy.”

Crazy, right? Except, of course, Romney went on to argue that the income in question was double taxed (at 30 percent, or higher, the first time around) and keeping rates low on investment income encourages more investment and growth. If the debate would have focused on the tax code, rather then another round of vacuous class “fairness” talk, we might have learned something.

Romney also finally pointed out that, despite all the president’s talk, Obama was the one that took General Motors and Chrysler through bankruptcy.

Then there were two moments that (inadvertently) told us a lot Obama’s economic vision.

The first occurred when a college student named Jeremy asked for reassurances about his job prospects after graduating. Obama answered: “Number one, I want to build manufacturing jobs in this country again.” Jeremy was probably somewhat stunned to find out that his $100,000 in student loans could only land him a job working the line at a factory making government subsidized electric cars. Hey, in these unselfish, planned economies, Jeremy, you take what you’re given.

And when the candidates were asked by one of those committed undecideds to dispel any myths about themselves, Obama used it to lay out one of the least convincing arguments of the night. “I believe,” he explained, “that the free enterprise system is the greatest engine of prosperity the world’s ever known.

Yet, if a person had listened to the preceding hour (the preceding four years, actually), they would have learned that the free enterprise system wasn’t “great” enough for the health care insurance industry, retirement funds, auto and banking industries, housing markets, education, green energy, or basically any other area that his administration’s policies have touched on in four years. It would be interesting if someone – perhaps at the next Townhall debate –would ask Obama to define what the free enterprise means to him.

Until then, though, the campaign trudges on.

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  • RenegadeScholar

    In essence, Obama responded to Romney by yelling “You lie!” each time. Sadly, there are enough hardcore leftists who only want to hear that, and don’t care what the reality is.

    Obama’s tired rhetoric felt dull, despite the energy he tried to put into it. Obama claims to love the free market and then attacks those who succeed in it. He had some nice responses to things the right is complaining about–like seeking more traditional energy and less crony capitalism for “green energy” initiatives that his campaign donors undertake. But his record is clear: cut off oil drilling, shut down coal plants, and give taxpayer money to Solyndra.

    That angry accusatory tone probably calmed his hardcore leftist supporters, but the regular folks in the middle likely saw it as just juvenile–like Biden.

    Obama was scrappy, but Romney was presidential.

  • owenmagoo

    after five minutes of watching…
    I stopped.
    The first debate was drama. This looked like square dancing. Painful camera angles, raspy moderator. Can’t imagine that it drew, and kept, more people than the vice presidential debate.
    transcripts:
    no ‘hard news’ to be found. no gaffe by romney. no explanation for libya from obama. that’s it.
    the dominant story remains libya, and what the president knew. or, what he doesn’t know. the pressure on the polls will remain…
    romney is staked to a small lead, and will likely hit critical mass of inevitability. obama needed a game change and ‘shooting par’ in a debate isn’t really important.

  • owenmagoo

    on second thought…
    every time obama makes an appearance, without explaining libya, it is actually news.
    crowley’s mistake, occurring on ‘behalf’ of obama, is also newsworthy. she had to have heard the dem talking point that obama mentioned “terror” in his rose garden address and accepted it as fact. so strong was her belief, she chimed in. knowledge of the quote is an essential feature of examining the wh’s decision to send susan rice out to end her career on five sunday talk shows. minimal journalistic curiousity would have brought her to examine the events and provided her with the info that she would have needed.
    the various timelines of denial are rather damning. not knowing why military assets were not deployed to a gunfight that took over eight hours is alos a question that should have been answered, but the wh’s silence has left the public free to speculate.
    after a month of obfuscation and denial, obama has crossed the rubicon where he can talk his way out of his libyan problem. it is impossible for him to appear credible as a leader. if reelected, he will either have to perjure himself, or answer the questions that won’t go away.
    in either case, his presidency is in ruins.

  • extra salt

    I think Romney has a path fwd
    1 He needs to connect the dots that energy independence for North America, which he already has pointed out will create jobs, lower the cost of production for every good and service and bring our economy back,

    those dots need to be connected to a strong defense,

    He needs to say that when our military is conducting humanitarian missions our enemies often make claims that our real interest is in protecting oil; if we were energy independent nobody could make that claim.

    2 He can shut down Obama on green energy by saying this;

    Obamas model is to take any idea, no matter how unproven and fund it so long as it is being proposed by someone who has funded his campaign.

    Then he should say “Look; there is a way we can move forward faster and cheaper with new sources of energy and it is based on merit; I am proposing we offer prize money to the top ten best improvements in new energy or in energy efficiency.”

    He can reference the Wright brothers inventing an airplane while the government researchers just knew they had the best science and the smartest people and yet they got skunked by a couple of small businessmen building a plane in their garage.

    3 He needs to say that we have a way out of the corner that the policies we have pursued since 2007 have backed ourselves into; yes it involves energy exploration, but it will also involve developing new energy sources as well as better ways to use existing energy.

    Each year a larger number of Americans get closer to retirement and even those who up til now have been happy to ignore what goes on in DC are starting to realize that they better start to pay attention; the path we have been on was set partially during the Bush administration with the class of 2006 congress, and partially after 2008 when Obama came to office with a majority in both houses; I am not here to argue about who is more to blame, the point is it has been clear we are on the wrong track since 2008 and the president if anything has dug us deeper into debt and the real unemployment numbers are worse,

    To do this our economy needs a new catalyst; the masive stimulous didn’t work but if you vote for Obama he has indicated he will continue on that path. I am offering a catalyst for growth and thus I am offering a way out of this.

  • extra salt

    I think Romney did sort of lose his pose there when Candy stepped in on behalf of Obama on Libya;

    She can spin that all she wants but she blew that big time for several reasons

    1 This is what is known as selective enforcement (she never corrected Obama)

    2 When I looked at the clips in context it didn’t appear to me that Obama was calling the Benghazi attack an act of terror but rather was droning on and on and happened to say the word terror at random, but not as in referring to Benghazi which he was still calling a protest over a video (that nobody had seen)

    3 She also did something that showed up in the time count (rather than just being a perception) she cut off Romney several times when Obama had made over the top accusations, but she tended to let Obama address anything and everything. Again this showed up in the time count

    4 She picked the questions that would be asked and how much time would be given for the answers.

    despite all that she wasn’t able to stop Romney from getting his message out, the facts were continuous and ruined the image Obama has managed to craft with the help of his allies in the MSM.

    Talk about who won or lost is less important than the fact that Romney had a huge forum to reach the folks that usually only get snippets of negative soundbites and opinions about him;

    It is also less important than that he was able to work in some fast and furious talk, or to offer himself as an alternative to the status quo, while making Obama the face of the status quo.

  • JimPVA

    I’ve never liked the town hall debate format. They always fill the audience with people who are the least informed and most of the time seem to be the least intelligent voters.

  • extra salt

    And they usually have leftist underlying premises to their questions at best; at worst they ask stuff my father had explained to me before I had a drivers permit.

    None the less this group had a few who asked questioons that got Obama to say things that will show up in ads like

    Low skilled jobs aren’t coming back; we are going to have high skill high pay jobs

    The problem with that is that not everyone is well suited to high skill jobs and he just made it sound like he had a hand in making that happen, or at least couldn’t care less;

    Besides that a low skilled factory job isn’t as low skilled as it used to be, and besides that it is also referred to as an anchor job, or a job that causes other jobs to stay in the area. In other words the guys who work in the factory have to have housing, schools for their kids, stores, utilities, police, fire and so on and so forth.

    This is a goldmine for Romney to explain how the economy works

  • Altosackbuteer

    Romney fluffed a golden opportunity to nail Øbama about Fast and Furious.
    ***
    Someone asked Øbama a question about an assault weapon ban, and Øbama, predictably, talked about the recent Colorado massacre. And then it was Romney’s turn, and — he actually brought up Fast and Furious, and spoke very eloquently about it. And he scored some points in the process.
    ***
    But — why, oh why didn’t Romney say THIS: “Fast and Furious has killed hundreds of people in Mexico. And the ONLY purpose was the Administration’s hope that some of those weapons would come north and be used in an atrocity and give the Administration an excuse to seize guns.
    ***
    “The House of representatives has asked AG Holder for documents related to Fast and Furious — AND ØBAMA BLOCKED THAT VIA EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE — the same thing RICHARD NIXON did when he was stonewalling the House of representatives about Watergate.
    ***
    “If Øbama weren’t himself involved in Fast and Furious, his Executive Privilege order was illegal.
    ***
    “So I now ask you, Mr. President — and you can have the remainder of my time — I now ask you, WHY did you issue your Executive Privilege order blocking the House of Representatives’ subpoena? I now yield the floor to you and await your answer.

  • Altosackbuteer

    ALL the genuine “undecideds” are going to Romney. If someone who’s “undecided” can’t bring himself to supporting Øbama NOW, after 4 years, he’s NOT going to decide for Øbama now, with 3 weeks to go.

  • AgTrotter

    FTA: “I believe,” he explained, “that the free enterprise system is the greatest engine of prosperity the world’s ever known.”

    This was the single greatest whopper told in the entire campaign to-date. The Man-Child is on record multiple times stating that he is a fervent believer in the redistribution of wealth. So, which is it Man-Child: free enterprise or wealth redistribution?

  • WEBIII

    I loved it when Barry said the gas prices were low when he came into office because the economy had collapsed. My God, look around man, if that’s all it takes we should be at $.99 right now.

  • Joel A. Edge

    I loved it. Watching the sitting president relying on a media shill as a tag team partner, it made my day.

  • Politicalpuck

    President Obama showed why we elected him in the first place last night. With commanding force, he explained why we shouldn’t return to the top-down, low-regulation policies favored by Republican speculators. He pointed out the tremendous job growth that has occurred in the last 31 months, and pointed out why women and Latinos and Hispanics serve their own interests best by voting Democratic. Romney was whiney and complaining and acted, at times, like a spoiled rich child. I watched the CNN version of the debate, where a panel of undecided voters dial their reactions to the debate they are watching. Romney spent a lot of time in negative territory with undecided voters.

  • StevenAK

    Romney was exposed as a shallow man last night. He couldn’t even remember where he was supposed to be on the issues. Out of touch and nowhere near aware of what middle class Americans deal with.

  • Ellen K

    Obama appeared defensive all night long. He seldom gave a straightforward answer and the repetitious talking points were not sufficient to cover glaring gaps in Obama’s theories. The moderator seemed intent on interrupting Romney while he was making points and interrupting Obama when he wasn’t. In short, it was a waste of time other than the fact it further exposed Obama’s true personality as a thin skinned ideologue who has never and will never consider anyone’s ideas other than his own.

  • bglick4

    “And the ONLY purpose was the Administration’s hope that some of those weapons would come north and be used in an atrocity and give the Administration an excuse to seize guns.”
    Romney didn’t say this because there is no proof of this. F and F is bad enough without distracting people from the issue with conjecture.

  • Rube Schainen

    If you looked at Obama’s face when Romney was speaking, you could see him smirk and gave the attitude that I am better then you. Smug, self-centered, and full of lies (that he believes), this President has hurt America and must be replaced before our country is destroyed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/phill.myess Phill Myess

    he looked that way because he is better than romney. no one can completely hide their feelings when they are face to face with a lying piece of crap.

  • http://twitter.com/rick3262 rick rick

    Obama had nothing new with his Wimpy defense. He’ll gladly pay us Tuesday for a hamburger (your vote) today, and then we see the Roadrunner cloud of dust if you give him what he wants.

  • http://twitter.com/rick3262 rick rick

    Biggest fib on the spot and fat pig Crowley doesn’t call him on it.

  • http://twitter.com/rick3262 rick rick

    Obama’s said nothing that would change the mind of the “undecideds.” Still the same old same old, except for Obama’s telling whoppers that no one else talked about during his four-year tenure. Now, magically, with the election weeks away, he’s producing facts out of his arse and trying to pretend as if they are real.

  • NotThereYet

    You know you lost when you have to attack the moderator.

  • Nateisgreat

    Sorry mr magoo, your politically blinded by your kool aid of choice. First Obama did say Terror which was Mitt’s error in attacking the use of the word as opposed to Obama’s lying. Get over it.

    Second , only a true kool aid warrior would pretend it’s the sitting presidents fault when terrorism happens overseas. Did you blame Bush for 9-11? That was thousands of people, on our own soil and we new about islamofacists then indeed he had warnings he ignored as well. No we don’t blame the sitting president. We see how that person responds when dealing with this crisis, bad intel was Bushs excuse for Iraq and yo all spouted that garbage for months….now bad intel isnt a worthy response when factual???/

    Sorry kool aid, the problem is you and the right are trying to make a scandal out of a mole hill and Romney racing to make statements the night of the attack was classless and lacked leadership,,,,he didn’t even know what had happened yet went on the attack

    Debates 1 to 1 with one to go

    Obama still leading in lots of key swing states

    Obama with one of the best ground games

    Get ready to cry and find fake scandals for 4 more years righties.

  • Marco64

    Brilliant as usual, Mr. Harsanyi.

  • http://twitter.com/rick3262 rick rick

    Romney’s a front runner and knows it. He’s playing it cool. Any mention about specifics will brand him a racist and a liar by the MSM. He spoke about wanting to know what happened in Libya, and then Barry came out with his “offensive” remark. Obama was all big and strong until Romney made the Rose Garden account. It was like a tiny pin prick and you could see all the air being let out of Obama as the rotund Crowley quickly came to his defense and covered up for him.

  • Altosackbuteer

    In Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes stories, Holmes says, when all other possibilities have been eliminated, then the one that is left remaining, regardless of how unlikely it is, must be the truth.
    ***
    If the purpose of Fast and Furious WEREN’T a conspiracy to create a domestic incident to seize guns — and this is the estimable Ann Coulter’s view too, by the way — then what WAS the purpose of Fast and Furious?
    ***
    Sending guns to Mexican drug gangs — really, it’s nothing less THAN AN ACT OF WAR against Mexico!
    ***
    The lack of smoking gun proof was the whole purpose of Cong. Issa’s subpoena to Holder — which Øbama has blocked via Executive Privilege.
    ***
    What CONCEIVABLE AND LEGITIMATE National Security purpose is served by that?
    ***
    Romney SHOULD have accused Øbama to his face — and let Øbama scream about lack of proof.

  • http://twitter.com/rick3262 rick rick

    When a person is unable to defend himself through words and deeds, the person is left with the last bastion of a scoundrel–the smirk. If you cannot defend yourself in a salient and cogent manner, then it is time to take yourself (and your smirk) off the stage.

  • Genna2

    What will remain in the minds of independent and undecided voters who are actually undecided is the President’s lack of a coherent economic policy that will help all Americans, not just those members of special interests groups he chooses to reward with taxpayer dollars and legislative and regulatory favors. He might be the smartest guy on the planet, but he doesn’t seem to understand that free birth control pills for Ivy League lawyer Sandra Fluke and billions of tax dollars wasted on bankrupt green energy companies are not components of a sound economic policy that will create jobs, keep consumer prices low and stimulate growth and prosperity in the private sector. It is Barack Obama’s view that as long as more money is flowing into the federal government’s incompetent and wasteful bureaucracy, all Americans will be better off.

    Last night’s debate confirmed that my cynical pre-debate opinion of the townhall format, the audience selection method, the questions to be asked and the moderator was justified. When Candy Crowley reached out to help President Obama on his most vulnerable issue – the terrorist attack in Libya – and the audience applauded her for doing so, it became very clear that, once again, the Republican candidate was at a disadvantage because the entire event was designed to favor the Democratic candidate. Most of the undecided voters in the audience are not undecided at all, but rather are disappointed Obama voters who want confirmation that he deserves the vote they intend to cast for him in 2012.

  • Joel A. Edge

    I’m not “attacking” the moderator. Merely complementing her on a job well done.

  • CJT1957

    I guess you did not see the debate….

  • scumby

    obama spouted the same stale socialist talking points we have heard over and over and over again. non-sequitors about planned parenthood and Romney’s income tax. LOSER

  • JayC777

    Tremendous job growth in the last 31 months??? Are you kidding me? Is this some kind of joke? Romney was whiney? Are you nuts? That’s all Maobama did was whine. He interrupted Romney on several occasions to whine to Crowley. Women and Latinos and Hispanics serve their own interests best by being unemployed?
    Jay
    Wonders what you were watching last night … It wasn’t the debate.

  • scumby

    obama lost when he sulked back to his chair when Romney called himout on his oil drilling permit lie

  • scumby

    the obese woman showed everyone the fix was on when she blurted out some nonsense about Obama using the word “terror”

  • Kirkus1964

    Obama’s record is remarkably similar to Reagan’s first term. One difference is four dead due to a terrorist attack vs. 249 under Reagan.

  • CJT1957

    I am confused, you rightly point out that obama is a “lying piece of crap”, but you say he is better than Romney. Waht gives?

  • CJT1957

    So, what were you watching on TV last night? The Mod Squad?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/GVBZYXOHZD6FLKZ5AJTEBUERZI Vanessa

    Tremendous job growth? At this rate we won’t return to full employment for a decade!
    I guess that’s not fast enough if you have already been employed for 4 years…
    We need ideas on how to stimulate a recovery and Obama doesn’t even address this. I think he’d be complacent with the status quo of 7.8% because it is “more fair”.

  • JimPVA

    Excellent points ‘ES’! I couldn’t agree more. I certainly hope the Romney campaign is thinking like you are.

  • CJT1957

    I always ask some one on welfare for a job when I need one. There are less people working now than when obama took office. 800,000 have joined the work force, 8,600,000 have droped out of the work force. That is 10 to 1. Real unemployment is 14%…

  • SandyOcean

    See, that is what will come around & cause even more problems for the President. First, since they brought up the “transcripts” – go read the entire text of his Rose Garden statement…..he talks about Libya first and then moves into the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and then pulls in the “these acts of terror”…..so which one was her referring to? Why not start off with Terrorist attacks in Libya – it’s called ‘political positioning’. So, let’s go with he did say “act of terror” and he meant Libya…..so why then did he mention the video 6 times at the UN, why when asked directly on the VIEW (which is a joke in itself) he said “we are still investigating” and not “Yes, it was a terrorist attack”, why on David Letterman did he not call it terrorism? Why did they spend taxpayer dollars to make a film for Pakistan citizens about the video? and the most damning….why did the Administration send out the UN ambassador on 5 shows, 5 DAYS after he “knew it was a terrorist attack” to state – we don’t know if it was terrorism – right now we believe it was a spontaneous riot gone wrong over the video. The evidence is clear, there are tapes & real time audio that clearly indicates there was no protest & it was a terrorist attack. They knew – as it happened – real time. SO….like the VP debate – the statements he made will come under more scrutiny and will show he LIED repeatedly in the days following the attack to the American people to diminish the situation. Candy Crowley should never have interjected herself – viewers should be allowed to come to their own conclusions & in last night’s recap on CNN – she admitted – that technically Obama did say “Act of Terror” but that Romney was right in the main point that they went weeks after that stating it was not terrorism – why would she clarify herself, because she knows the scrutiny is coming & bravo to Obama for making sure this remains a story over this week…..

  • CJT1957

    Oh of course the economy grew at about 6% for Reagan and 1.3% for obama…

  • JayC777

    In what way their are records similar? Oh, and your math is off, not unsurprisingly. That’s approximately 1900 dead due to terrorist attack under Obama and you forgot the 444 rescued from a terrorist attack under Reagan.
    Jay
    You mindless obots are out in force today.

  • Kirkus1964

    Wrong on both numbers.

  • Kirkus1964

    The average annual compound returns for the Dow, S&P500, and NASDAQ have been 17.2%, 25.3% and 31.7% respectively in Obama’s first 3.3 years. This compares to Reagan’s first term results (for the same indices and time period) of 6.86%, 6.16%, and 7.02% respectively.

  • Sherlocktoo

    Candy has eliminated herself as a moderator in the future presidential debates. Her defense of the president, and the extra time she gave the president showed her biases clearly. And the apology after the debate to Romney will never be heard on networks or cable. Creeps like her should be eliminated from the media, or at least be identified as an extreme supporter of statism. Is it any wonder that cnn ratings are in the tank?

  • http://www.facebook.com/richord Rich Ord

    Sorry Nateisgreat, but your are the one politically blinded. Put this in perspective, Obama has for years gone around and bowed in front of foreign dictators in the Middle East and elsewhere, he apologizes for an anti Muslim video at the UN as if that was the cause of this “protest”, he also apologized for the video on Letterman and the View and when asked he refused to say it was a terrorist act.

    Now we are supposed to believe weeks later that all along he knew it was terrorism and not a spontaneous protest over a video… and you moronically go along with it? The problem with this president is he doesn’t see the radical Muslim world the way it is and he didn’t want to expose his failed policies against terrorism and therefore hid from the American public his obvious knowledge that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack by an al-Qaeda group.

  • Kirkus1964

    When Reagan took over, the unemployment rate was in decline. Under him, it surged to 10.8% (while he led us into a recession). It was over 10% for 10 months! When Obama took over, the unemployment rate was increasing by half a point a month. He led us out of recession, and the rate only went up to 10% (exactly) for just one month. It stands now just .4 above the number in September of Reagan’s first term.

  • seanster5977

    The gains on Wall Street are in spite of Obama. Don’t you libs remember he demonized them and pointed to them as the problem with our economy? So now that in spite of his horrible handling of the economy you now think he gets credit for Wall Street gains. Incredible. And gullible.

  • HomesickExWasillan

    My most frustrating moment came when the guy asked about our Lybian consulate asking prior to the attacks for increased security, but Obama made the answer about protecting our people after the fact, and Romney didn’t catch that “weasel”.

  • tomH

    What a hilarious garbage piece of “journalism” lol. This belongs in the opinion section of some tea party rag.

  • Dustoff

    He is??? So then. I guess the newest polling is wrong.
    Cause most people don’t agree with you.

  • Dustoff

    You mean correct the (moderator)

  • Dustoff

    MSNBC…

  • Dustoff

    Not quite. The Marines were under a Peace keeping force. Not combat.
    Odd why you lib’s always forget that part.

  • BCML

    Romney’s 5 point plan is a house of cards. I cannot believe his tax plan – reduce rates, eliminate deductions, etc and stay deficit neutral? Not possible.

  • Kirkus1964

    If the President (any President) gets the blame for the bad things that happen under his watch, then he has to get the credit for the good things. Unless you’re intellectually dishonest, which I suspect you are. Not surprising.

  • Dustoff

    Prove away. Remember Recovery summer 2009, it died, then Recovery summer 2010, then it died….then there was NO recovery summer 2012.

  • sikologik

    LOL. Pass the doober my way, if you’re done with it….

  • BCML

    Lets face it, Iraq was all about oil. Our humanitarian missions don’t really exist. I know a lot of Canadians and they do not plan to become America’s oil tap. Don’t take their co-operation for granted.

  • Dustoff

    WHEN…. O-dumber came into office. The US econ had already started to recover. Try to get that right. Yet because O-dumber is just that. Recovery summer of 2009 died.

  • globalcrap

    Better in what way. Giving the taxpayers money to bumbs who collect welfare for making babies. Illegal aliens streaming across our American borders so O Bogus can get his illegal alien criminal votes.No I D required when voting.Mishell and her million dollar O Bogus vacations that the working man pays for.Stimulus fraud. Helllooooo, wake up and smell the crap that your O Bogus produces.

  • Kirkus1964

    Exactly, truly magical thinking.

  • Dustoff

    Sure it is… Maybe you should read up. O-dumber’s has had what effect. Try zip. 1.3 GPD growth. Pathetic at best.

  • Kirkus1964

    What’s your point? That the four in Benghazi WERE in combat? Not following you here.

  • BCML

    Obama handled himself very well. He went after Romney’s vulnerabilities and showed some fight. Mitt looked petty and just wrong on several points.

  • Dustoff

    Ahhhh, what good? Poor econ? 1.3 growth? No jobs?
    Green jobs that are failing left & right, with our tax monies?

  • Kirkus1964

    Incorrect. GDP growth was -6.9% in the first quarter of 2009. Of course, Obama led us OUT of recession, unlike Reagan who led us INTO recession and 10 months of over 10% unemployment. Facts matter.

  • BCML

    This is a silly article. It reads like an op-ed paid for by the GOP. I hope it is not intended as political analysis or journalism.

  • Dustoff

    Yes they were. Libya is still in a state of combat.
    Did you forget they have been attacked since June.

    The Marines were not in a area of Combat. Nor was that their role.
    I see you know nothing about the military. Figures.

  • Dustoff

    Prove me wrong. These are gov records.

  • Kirkus1964

    Look up historical GDP growth rates and do the math for both their first terms.

  • BCML

    Maybe you should read up. The economy is slowly and gradually recovering – 36 straight months of GDP and jobs growth – from the devastation of the GOP/Bush meltdown. Great results? hardly, But decent under the circumstances. Mitt’s “Plan” is fabrication. Except that he said he would eliminate capital gains and ensure his own taxes disappear. He is a putz.

  • Dustoff

    So recovery 2009 was a lied. By you guys…

  • Timothy_D

    So, which ObamaPhone do YOU have???

  • Jose Dirceu Farias

    That is right rick rick, Crowley was helping Obama. Even when the poll number came out on CNN giving Obama an edge on the debate. I thought with Obama’s dismal economy performance, which Romney went after repeatedly, as far as winning votes, Romney did better.

    You and I got to go and tell our friends, co-workers, relatives, and anyone within our sphere of influence and tell them about Obama’s bad record.

    I have voted ROMNEY/RYAN!
    How about you? Have you voted or will vote ROMNEY/RYAN?

    Press ^ for YES!

  • Dustoff

    The stock market often leads the economy and that was certainly true in 2009.

    The market began a recovery months before the economy showed even the feeblest signs of life.

  • BCML

    What is this “man-child” comment? A stupid thing to say. And Mr. Simple-mind, Free Enterprise and wealth re-distribution co-exist all over the world. You need a quick tutorial on basic economics.

  • Kirkus1964

    What period of time are you talking about with the 1.3%

  • Kirkus1964

    I was referring to the five-point plan.

  • Dustoff

    Mitt’s “Plan” is fabrication
    ******************

    Now that’s a laugh. The GDP has been failing and failing. That bud is NO recovery.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.tinder.73 Mark Tinder

    Well, they sure would love to sell their oil to us, through a secure pipeline straight down to existing facilities in the Gulf, rather than be forced to build their own pipeline to the Canadian west coast for shipment to China. As to Iraq being “all about oil,” says who, Kos Kid? The oil belongs to the people and government of Iraq, and they get to say who can buy it.

  • Kirkus1964

    It appears it won’t let me post a link. Google “official US combat zones IRS”. Libya is not on the list. Lebanon was in the middle of a civil war in 1983.

  • Dustoff

    Jezzz fool. The GPD under O-dumber has been failing and falling.

    Gross domestic product expanded at a 1.3
    percent annual rate, the slowest pace since the third quarter of 2011
    and down from last month’s 1.7 percent estimate, the Commerce Department
    said in its final estimate on Thursday.
    Output
    was also revised down to reflect weaker rates of consumer and business
    spending than previously estimated. Outlays on residential construction
    export growth were also not as robust as had been previously estimated.

  • BCML

    Hi smirked because Mitt was fibbing. He got caught as well but still got away with his biggest LIE: The 5 Point Plan that is total fairy dust. Mitt is a tax cutter. Period. He will no more balance the budget than fly to the moon. He is a neo-con. Just like GW – who was the greatest deficit creator in history.

  • Kirkus1964

    Uneployment record better than Reagan’s. Growing economy, avg. GDP much higher than 1.3%. If this were a Republican administration you would be trumpeting about how well things were going. Be honest, just once, it won’t hurt.

  • BCML

    You saw a different debate – the one you wanted to see – in reality Obama won – by a narrow margin, but victory none the less.

  • Dustoff

    O-dumber is that you. Just can’t break the drug habit can ya

  • Dustoff

    WOW Jay…. the lib’s are mad from last-night poor performance from O-dumber. They are here in force. Not that it matters much.

  • Kirkus1964

    Look at the numbers. Facts matter. Obama inherited -6.9% growth (over 8% the quarter before) from the Republicans and led us to recovery.

  • jon gadel

    great article, great writing, thanks!

  • BCML

    Go back and take 2nd grade arithmetic. When the numbers get bigger every month – like the GDP has been doing – that means the GDP is rising. You have strong opinions for someone so devoid of facts..

  • Kirkus1964

    Oh, gee, let’s cherrypick one quarter, and a positive quarter at that! Shall we talk about Reagan inheriting +8.6% in first quarter 1981 and then plunging it to -3.2% second quarter 1981, then -4.9% third quarter 1981, then -6.4% Q4 1981, then -1.5 Q2 1982, then +0.3% Q4 1982….then the 10 months over 10% unemployment, then the tax hikes….

  • http://twitter.com/rick3262 rick rick

    In the first debate, Mitt Romney exposed Obama’s smear tactics and showed himself to be an alternative to Obama’s failed policies. Many people were seeing him for the first time. In the second debate, Mitt Romney simply reinforced his image, showing that it was no fluke. Obama, meanwhile, still can’t defend his record, no matter how hard he wants to huff and puff.

  • Dustoff

    Civil war. Huge difference. I say again, you’ve never been in the military have you. In civil war actions we go as Peace keepers. Not to engage the bad guys. The the UN does over and over.
    PS… it was Beirut. Both the US and the French were hit by truck bombs in their barracks. NOT in a combat action, like say Iraq.

  • Kirkus1964

    It’s been positive every quarter.

  • Dustoff

    Dude.. I didn’t cherry pick zip the GDP has been falling for sometime. All the money O-dumber blew on stuff like GM & stupid solar didn’t do zip.

  • Dustoff

    Libya has so many different groups still fighting try to control that nation. It’s (still) a war zone. Even Mr. Stevens was worried about the lack of protection.
    Not including Mr-Obumber went to bed during the shoot-out. I guess golf was on his mind, not Mr. Stevens.

  • OldOakTree

    Kind of an odd point to make. Good and evil co-exist, but that doesn’t mean they are natural partners or similar in any way. Wealth distribution is at odds with free enterprise.

  • Dustoff

    He did? Cause it looks like most of the MSN doesn’t see it your way.

  • Dustoff

    Mitt was?

    So how is that Hope & little change working out?
    O-dumber had NO plan and baby it’s so showing. Not including the polls are shifting away for Mr. O-loser. So you can only BS the people for so long. You know, like all the GREEN jobs O-dumber created, then went bankrupt.
    Have you seen. Another one went down the drain yesterday, with our money.

    Heck of job

    If this is Hope & change. You can keep it!

  • life5678

    Get Obama’s new hit album – ‘Broken record’!

    Side A

    I sound like a Broken Record (15:10)

    If I had your money I’d through mine away! (1:12)

    Liar Liar Pants on fire (24:7)

    I walk on water (7:77)

    All the kings men couldn’t put the economy together again
    (365:00)

    Sympathy symphony (6:66)

    Side B

    Same ol song and dance (10:10)

    My record’s so broke it plays backward (00:00)

    Skipping (my) record (11:11:11)

    Blame shifting, shape shifting (01:10)

    I don’t wanna read between the lines (01:00)

    Chicago fixin debates (08:00)

    Finger Pointing (1:01)

  • George

    Its Human Events – FOX News in Print. Dedicated to simple people These are
    people of the land, the common clay of the new Republican Tea Bagger Party. You know…
    morons.

  • OldOakTree

    To Nate Great: Two issues are both worthy of investigating:
    a. Were we ill-prepared for the 9/11/12 attack in Benghazi, and if so, who bears responsibility.
    b. Did the Obama administration know it was a terrorist attack but try to make it look like it was a video protest gone awry, in order to help Obama’s reelection chances.

  • A. Citizen

    Technically, the U.S. embassy in Libya was “our soil.” Our consulates are sovereign territory, just like the dirt right here on our own continent.

    Obama is really in a pickle on this one. He either admits he knew of the threat and did nothing, or he admits he didn’t know and thereby calls into question his management and leadership of his own administration.

    And, yes, if Bush had credible intel that an attack was pending on the WTC and did nothing, he would bear responsibility for his inaction. The situations are not analogous; there is mounting evidence that the ambassador had grave security concerns, asked for extra help, and was either ignored or rebuffed. You don’t have to be a “true kool aid warrior” to make that distinction, but it is more difficult if one is blinded by leftist ideology.

  • ReluctorDominatus

    @BCML…you are right when you say that free enterprise exists throughout the world because no ideology can stop capitalism in its purest form which is simply people doing what they want, with what they have earned or made, when left to their own devices. Redistribution on the other hand requires the taking of what is owned by others based upon some rationalization and then giving the product of the producers to those who the takers feel most deserving.

    History is fraught with such schemes, which on the whole, are best represented by tyranny. I have no legal obligation to save you from drowning but somehow I have an obligation to feed and house you? The choices are best left to charity and not to self serving ideologues; I would be the first in the surf to save a child but I refuse to jeopardize my life and my children’s futures to save those who refuse to save themselves.

    There is a difference and that is the real definition of “freedom of choice”.

  • George

    The only thing pathetic is you Dusty. The trouble with most republicans when they lose they
    whine and go after and attack anyone – this time its Candy Crowley
    instead of admitting Richie Rich Romney lost this round . .

  • OldOakTree

    “When I looked at the clips in context it didn’t appear to me that Obama
    was calling the Benghazi attack an act of terror but rather was droning
    on and on and happened to say the word terror at random, but not as in
    referring to Benghazi which he was still calling a protest over a video
    (that nobody had seen).” Toby Harnden of The Daily Mail says it is possible Obama’s comments were deliberately ambiguous. I am wondering if Obama’s remarks were spontaneous or were they prepared ahead of time.

  • http://twitter.com/RenegadeFL Scott Thomas

    Don’t you get dizzy with all that spinning? Did you write most of this story before or after the debate? Pathetic.

  • ReluctorDominatus

    @BCML…you have proved yourself blind ideologue but even more troubling is your inability to count.

  • Dustoff

    You’re comment makes little sense.

  • OldOakTree

    Candy selected an odd batch of questions, that’s for sure. Several of the questions played right to Obama and fit right in with the liberal talking points.

  • life5678

    That was the first thing Donna Brazil said immediately after the debate on ABC, even before anyone said anything about the moderator . Rehearse that line did we?

  • Dustoff

    Reagan got reelected because the econ did take off. O-dumber can’t make that claim.

  • Dustoff

    The REP????? Who has controlled the pocket book since 2008?

    Jess bud, you’re memory of history is poor.

  • Dustoff

    LOL…. poor George. I just keep winning, like say Romney and you just hate it.

    Hey bud. I see another green company that O-dumber used our money on failed yesterday. Hope & Change….. yeah right.

  • BCML

    I disagree. To survive, an economic system has to benefit all. It has to distribute goods with some reasonable equity – our system is productive, but leaves people out. We are not a caveman society where you eat what you kill. A person today is born into a complex and capable society that they can use to advantage – they can hire educated workers, rely on organized and regulated markets, use modern transport – all of which they need to succeed. So, in my view, they owe something back. And economies all over the world re-distribute income and do just fine.

  • A. Citizen

    And Obama, Mr. Community Organizer with zero business experience is in touch? You mean our Too Cool For School, I’m So Much Smarter Than You president? Really?

  • ReluctorDominatus

    @BCML…I would venture to guess the “a lot of Canadians” you refer to are also on the left which relegates them to a very minor role when it comes to decisions of economic import. Canadians are about as inclined to make their decisions about oil production by consulting your comrades about as much as the average American would turn to the Environmental Nazis who infest Seattle.

  • Pompus

    Don’t like “man child?” O.K.: “Affirmative Action Boy.” Fixed it for ya.

  • Concerned4America

    When the topic of self deportation came up I was expecting Romney to say something to the effect that Obama was already implementing it by creating an economy so bad that a lot of the illegals have decided to go home to their families.

  • George

    Don’t blame Dusty,

    He can’t even spell the President’s name.

  • George

    It is the TEA Party Rag.

  • BCML

    How about Pompous Ignorant Goof-ball. Seems to fit

  • ReluctorDominatus

    One thing is safe to assume…it would never make it into Pravda…oops, the NYT. Now how could I possibly get the two confused???

    And just for the record the “Tea Party” is based upon ideas and does not conveniently own major printing establishments which the Gramsci “progressives” have been cultivation for 100 years.

  • George

    What ticks you and the Republicans off is Romney was – for
    political gain bring up the death of the Ambassador and the three security
    personnel. Just like he did on the night of the attack before knowing anything.
    Obama was just ready to pounce on it as well. He took Romney to the wood shed.
    Romney seemed to have a plan A and a plan B depending on whether or not Obama
    agreed with the accusation or not. And rather than feed into Robot Romney’s
    algorithm, he just told him to “Proceed”.

    Obama intentionally fed Romney the rope he used to hang himself with. And
    then he got genuinely mad at being accused of being insensitive to death of
    Americans.

  • A. Citizen

    Really? Who in our system is prohibited from participating?

  • BCML

    Dustoff: You need to get the fog out of your eyes. I checked MSN: Obama won. I checked CBS, Huff Post, Washington Post, New York Times: All said: Obama won- close – but he won. You have to separate reality from desire.

  • Greg Irwin

    I know. My favorite highlight was in the very beginning when Obama got up to challenge Romney on energy policy and Romney essentially told him to go sit back in his chair and wait until a real leader was finished explaining. Obama went and uncomfortably sat in his chair with that 1st debate body language that was so devastating.

  • Greg Irwin

    Both msnbc and fox focus groups agree. undecideds leaving Obama in droves. I saw somebody point out that frank luntz and his groups are biased, which has no merit, then I pointed out msnbc’s focus group and the person just disappeared. It is as if pointing out hard truths destroys liberals.

  • BCML

    Hope and Change has been tough. Cleaning up after the last GOP fiasco called Bush has been most difficult. But if Obama’s Hope and Change is not working for you try Romney’s 5 point plan called “Smoke and Mirrors”. It is a hoax. The American people will see it as GOP snake oil.

  • Pompus

    That gov’t cheese hella tasty huh BCML?

  • BCML

    I can count to 1, and that seem to be your IQ. If you buy Mitt’s 5 Point Smoke and Mirrors plan I have some snake oil you might want. Rub it on your noggin and you will look like Paul Ryan.

  • Dustoff

    LOL…. O-dumber.
    Right george. Like Libya deaths were because of a video. That NO-one even saw.

  • Greg Irwin

    Actually you have to attack the moderator when she steps in to throw the president a lifeline because he is lying. This was another part of the debate where the “1st debate body language” pops up again. It was almost painful to watch the fear on Obama’s face as he said “please proceed governor Romney” It is that look like you have no control over what is about to happen and then suddenly, POOF! Candy jumps in to misstate the presidents rose garden remarks. Most people recognize the fear all over Obama’s face though

  • Dustoff

    Teabagger. WOW the Dem party right.

  • BCML

    The only reason he seemed to say “you liar” is that Romney was lying. Looked like the right thing to me.

  • Greg Irwin

    Haha! just like undecided voters for Obama, nobody here believes your comment. Too bad Obama can’t win without the voters that are currently switching and becoming Romney supporters. Well there is always Clinton 2016 right?

  • Dustoff

    Maybe you should learn to read. You say the GDP is getting better. The gov disagrees.

    Gross domestic product expanded at a 1.3
    percent annual rate, the slowest pace since the third quarter of 2011
    and down from last month’s 1.7 percent estimate, the Commerce Department
    said in its final estimate on Thursday.
    Output
    was also revised down to reflect weaker rates of consumer and business
    spending than previously estimated. Outlays on residential construction
    export growth were also not as robust as had been previously estimated.

  • BCML

    You can’t spell “pompous”. Seems like you can’t communicate at all. Good luck in 3rd grade.

  • Dustoff

    Right now??? Jezzz it was just reported not long ago.

  • joebobjones1

    As Donna Brazile said last night, you know you’ve won when the other side starts complaining about the referees. Wah wah wah, poor Mitt.

    Hey, didn’t the same people complain about Joe Biden being too mean? Hmmmmm……..I think I see a pattern here.

  • Fallarnon

    The most stunning moment was when Obama criticized Romney for being “rich”. “My pension fund is not as big as yours” (you dirty rich guy you). This is stunning. Obama is a communist period.

  • Greg Irwin

    What the hell are you talking about

  • Greg Irwin

    I could not agree more. It was debate #1 version 2.0

  • Fallarnon

    Obama spoke 3 minutes more this time and 4 more minuets more last time, yet every debate Obama complains about the time keeping. Typical smart ass whining liberal.

  • joebobjones1

    Wah wah wah, The referees cheated for the other side. Wah wah wah!

  • Greg Irwin

    I don’t want to talk about the non use of the word terror. It is of little importance. I just want Obama to admit that he lied to the families while the caskets of the deceased were present when he blamed the video> I want him to admit he lied to America and the world at the UN when he blamed the video 6 times. I want him to admit his campaign sent Susan Rice out to lie on 5 different talk shows. I want him to admit he did all of this because the event as it happened was politically damaging and he wanted to avoid that damage. I then want the American people to decide if they want 4 more years of such an opportunistic scumbag running the country.

  • BCML

    Not at odd at all. Every country in the G20 taxes incomeand uses some of it for welfare, Medicare, education assistance etc. That is re-distribution.

  • Marju

    That’s just stupid. Ever near of NAFTA?

  • Greg Irwin

    This is true. Even worse for Obama, historically even the undecideds that walk into the booth will overwhelmingly break for the challenger. So not only is Romney winning them over now, but whatever is left will go to Romney in large numbers.

  • BCML

    For starters the 8% unemployed. They need to find work, but there is ALWAYS 6-8% left out of the employment picture for various reasons. We should help them.

    There are disabled, and people who live in places like Flint. There are lots of people who need a leg up – for a short or long time, and if our system is to survive, we have to ensure everyone benefits.

  • BCML

    What did you not understand?

  • Earl Gray

    You REALLY must have written this before the debate!!!

    Obama took Romney apart… Come on you guys.. admit it….

    How do you get rid of automatic weapons? Get… Marriied??? Really?? Is that even an answer?

  • cofassio

    Curiously, the capital gains that accrue to investors are not taxed at the corporate level nor do they directly benefit the corporation.

  • BCML

    I have no comrades, but I do follow events north of the border. Romneys 5 Point Plan is snake oil; smoke & mirrors, and if he thinks that Canadian resources are ours he is mistaken. Canada is aggressively cultivating China. As for your Latin name, Mr. Reluctor, I assume it means very “Very Think Empty Skull”.

  • BCML

    Nothing make sense to a dope.

  • Bruno

    WebIII – Actually, you do not understand the complex economy like the president does. After all we are just the lowly food stamp users living on his blessings. Look at the vast experience he has…Community Organizer (take money from gov’t and spend it on speeches). His team of Barney Frank (housing collapse), his other advisers. So you see, back then the economy was in the tank, so gas prices were below $2. Now that it is going up, we should see prices in the $7 to $8 range with this recovery that he so orchestrated. This unique math is what is going to make our future so great. I am making sure that my kids learn this new math to be competitive. There will be millions of food stamps, millions of new money being printed everyday. Sure do not want to miss out on that bright opportunity. My son wants to be a CZAR in the government when he grows up. So he is learning this new math and practicing on his speech delivery. He is 13 and already an entrepreneur He started a non profit and is about get funded by the government on how to farm medical marijuana more efficiently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Kimble/100003313102247 Dan Kimble

    The 2nd Debate:

    Once again, Obama’s campaign theme seems to be this:

    “Don’t listen to Gov. Romney as to what his plan is…..what he will do if he becomes the president…….I will tell you what his plan is…..You see, Gov. Romney is a liar, he is rich, and he is only in this to help the rich people get richer.”

    And, Obama goes on to say all the good things he has accomplished in his administration. Obama says he did X and Y for women, and, of course, Romney is against women. Obama says he did X and Y for Hispanics, and of course, Romney is against Hispanics. Obama says he did X and Y for (fill in the blank), and of course Romney is against (fill in the blank).

    So, according to Obama, Romney is a liar, and he is a bad guy, against a whole lot of people who don’t look like Romney.

    And WHY should the American people believe all of these things about who and what Romney is?

    Well, because Obama is TELLING them WHO Romney IS, and WHAT Romney will DO! ………………………………..

    BUT, isn’t there a SLIGHT PROBLEM with Obama’s message that the American people should believe Obama about who Romney is and what he will do as president, rather than listening to Romney tell us who Romney is and what Romney will do when he becomes president?

    And that problem appears to be the obvious evidence that Obama and his administration has been very busy these past few weeks concocting and disseminating to the American people and the Whole World a BIG LIE about just what happened in Libya where four Americans were brutally murdered in a preplanned terrorist attack.

    For close to two weeks following the attack, we witnessed the Obama administration tell us and the whole wide world, VERY EMPHATICALLY, that the killing of four Americans in Benghazi was:

    1) The result of a spontaneous demonstration in front of the Benghazi consulate facilities.

    2) This demonstration resulted from the reaction to an obscure video placed on the internet which slurred Islam (even though hardly anyone saw the video, before the Obama administration advertised it and made it prominent).

    3) This demonstration got out of control and turned violent….or……..armed terrorists became aware of the demonstration and used it as a cover to attack the consulate.

    4) There was NO indication that the attack was a preplanned terrorist attack by armed terrorists.

    President Obama even stated to the world that the USA was sorry for this obscure video made by a private individual and the US government had nothing to do with it.

    That is the gist of the BIG LIE……and the Obama administration was sticking to it….until what really happened started to leak out.

    Now, the story is changing, and Obama and his administration is, once again, LYING to the American people by CLAIMING that, NO, we never said what we said…..in fact, Obama CALLED the attack a terrorist attack the very day after it happened!

    This is what the heavy-set moderator, Susan Crowley, said when she jumped into the debate last night, and, essentially, accused Romney of getting it wrong about Obama NOT calling the attack a terrorist attack that day in the Rose Garden of the White House……..and, her bold statement, quite unusual for a moderator, wouldn’t you say?….. was, apparently, the reason for a surprise round of applause, from, apparently, Obama supporters in the supposedly neutral audience (shouldn’t Obama be left to answer his critic…why the need for the moderator to suddenly jump out of her roll as a moderator?…to score a point for the team?).

    Of course, the American people have been watching the Libyan story as it has been unfolding…from day one they have been watching………and, from day one it never made sense, (in fact, to many Americans, the administrations storyline was preposterous from day one) that a demonstration in response to an obscure video which almost no one saw, resulted in the deaths of four superlative American citizens.

    From day one the American people listened to the Obama administrations storyline with increasing skepticism.

    From day one the media passively accepted the Obama administrations storyline, until that storyline started to unravel.

    Now, the moderator of last nights debate has stepped in, and added her two cents to the fabricated storyline, and said, incorrectly, that Obama himself did, indeed, call, or imply, IMMEDIATELY, that the events in Libya WERE a planned terrorist attack. But, the problem is that Obama did NO such thing. And, so, Susan Crowley, the MODERATOR, jumped in to support Obama with another….LIE.

    And, so, here we are once again. The media will surely be attempting to tell the American people that Obama carried off the second debate quite well. We are told that the take away we are supposed to have from the second debate is this:

    Rely on OBAMA to tell us WHO Romney is, and WHAT his plans are if he were to be the president, rather than rely upon Romney to tell us these things.

    And the reason we should rely upon Obama to tell us these things rather than Romney?

    Well…..well….apparently, because we can rely upon Obama to tell us the truth.

  • BCML

    Canada is courting Chinese investment and commerce. If you think Canadian reserves are ours you are as vacuous as Mitt’s Smoke and Mirrors 5 Point Plan.

  • JohnGalt

    The commentary regarding moderator bias is highly apropos, despite your infantile redirection and trivialization toward an ignorant sports anaology.
    Your diseased ieology wouldn’t have a chance in hell without billions of dollars in free 24/7 support from your CommunistMedia.
    The Internet is changing that sick and unjust dynamic.
    Right before our eyes.

  • JayC777

    So, the guy who has nothing more to offer than lame excuses and outright lies won?
    Jay
    You mindless obats are hillarious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.ramsey.9 Dan Ramsey

    I simply can’t believe that the RNC agreed to Candy Crowley as the debate moderator in the first place. She is anything but impartial and was obviously in Obama’s corner last night. Heck, I was surprised that she wasn’t wearing her “Obama ’12″ lapel pin.

    In a 90-minute debate, when one candidate ends up with 4 minutes more speaking time than the other, you know the moderator either didn’t do his/her job or was actively supporting one of the candidates over the other.

  • JayC777

    Yep. And look how that is working out. The world economy is slowing because of it.
    Jay
    Crash and burn is coming to a neighborhood near you.

  • BCML

    Dustoff: Get help. This is my last reply to you as I can only communicate so long with a brick wall. When the words say :”expanded at a 1.3% annual rate” it means that GDP WENT UP.

  • Mark Urbo

    Crowley stepped over the line on Libya…

    Ultimately, the facts and timeline will look very incriminating for Obama – and many already think it does…

    For one thing, there is no way to undo the Pakistani TV commercial Obama and Hillary appeared in together that U.S. money paid to run all over Pakistan proclaiming how they blame and hate that “illicit” video, think it’s abhorrent, and the U.S. government had nothing to do with it.

    Indeed, that commercial had the look of two people trying to SPREAD knowledge of the video and fan the flames of anger. Today, we have a 14 year old Pakistani girl shot in the head for pushing “Western” values like female education during that unrest created entirely by Obama & Hillary commercial. Trace the release of the video and add in production, distribution, scheduling time and payment arrangments and you’re literally within days after the embassy attack – how did that come together while all involved claimed indifference of knowledge ?

    There are multiple segments available days after the attack, of Obama administration members mouthing the talking point about the video, and professing great horror at it while apologizing profusely in a servile manner that was a national embarrassment. No thinking person believed it.

    That TV commercial Obama and Hillary made says it all. He continued spewing the false narrative at his UN address and as that Pakistan TV spot continued to run as well as other countries. Moreover, Susan Rice doggedly carried the water on the Sunday she did multiple morning shows. And White House spokesman Carney ran around in circles for weeks avoiding calling it terrorism.

    Obama cannot walk away from this even with the LSMedia working overtime to shield him from a situation which is no less than Watergate in almost every regard – except Americans died…

  • davesnothere

    So, I wasn’t the only one who thought it odd that the President wants everybody to go to college so that they can get out and work in a manufacturing job (like the one their parents slaved at to save money to send them to college so they wouldn’t have to work in a crappy manufacturing job).

  • JayC777

    Yeah, I’ll bet you know a lot of Canadians. You invented the internet, created the Space-time continuum model, and solved the Zodiac killer mystery as well, right?
    Jay
    All at the same time I’ll bet.

  • BCML

    Problem is….Obama did not lose. Every poll in every media give him a slim victory.

  • Kirkus1964

    I’m talking about the entirety of the first term.

  • BCML

    I assume you slept through it as you obviously did not see it. It was 100% different than Debate #1.

  • JayC777

    “GW – who was the greatest deficit creator in history.”
    GW tax cuts caused a $785 billion increase in tax revenue. Maobama, in 3 1/2 years created more debt than Bush in 8 years.
    Jay
    Not real good with facts and math, are you.

  • Kirkus1964

    Libya isn’t a war zone, according to the U.S. military. Our diplomats weren’t “engaging the bad guys” either.

  • BCML

    The moderator interrupted Romney because he could not keep his motor mouth shut. He is a blathering snake oil salesman with his bogus 5 Point Plan. His mouth works too fast for his brain.

  • Kirkus1964

    The GDP has expanded every quarter. You don’t have a grasp on basic math.

  • Earl Gray

    I am a degreed engineer… I work in manufacturing…. Get it?

  • davesnothere

    HuffPo, WaPo, NYT? Really? I checked with Sleepy, Dopey, and Grumpy and they all agree the dwarf won the debate.
    The CBS & CNN polls had Obama winning narrowly on the debate, but Romney winning on most of the issues, and winning handily in both exit polls on the economy. The focus groups broke for Romney. Obama, on the other hand, impressed Obama supporters and members of the mainstream media.
    If anybody “moved the needle” (to use the buzzphrase of the night) it was Romney.

  • BCML

    JayC777 – I assume that was your badge number in the Big House. The crash and burn is due to excessive personal debt and a crisis brought on by Mortgage backed securities and over leverage in the banking system. With all that has been written about it I am amazed that you have zero grasp. I guess people believe what they want to believe. Social programs had nothing to do with it. Sorry.

  • JayC777

    ” I checked CBS, Huff Post, Washington Post, New York Times”
    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
    Jay
    ROTFLMFAO.

  • BCML

    Fox???? You quote Fox as a source? Why not quote the John Birch Society or Rush Limbaugh? When I quoted media sources I quoted sane and rational sources, not the rabid dogs of FOX.

  • richard40

    I think obama did well enough that both sides can legidimately claim their guy won, this time obama on style, and romney on substance. I think both the biased moderator, and the inherent leftist bias of the town hall format made romneys job harder. In future debates I think repubs should try and dump the town hall style, and have more formats like the first debate, where the 2 candidates mainly drive the debate, with a very light moderator touch. The moderators main function should be to see that no candidate filibusters, or gets out of control by constantly interupting, and that both speak about an equal amount of time.

  • BCML

    I did not do any of that, but I am a far sight smarter than you.

  • BCML

    I know it well. It contains no guarantees that they can’t sell their resources to anyone they choose. Go back and read it.

  • StoutCortez

    Automatic weapons are already illegal. So I guess the answer is to ban them.

  • JayC777

    Damn, you are stupid. You obviously didn’t watch the debate
    Jay
    Educate yourself so that you can give an informed opinion.

  • StoutCortez

    Now it turns out that the guy who shot up the Colorado theater was actually dressed not as the joker, but as Joe Biden.

  • Cai Phillips-Jones

    ha moron just wait until we actually have a real economic collapse.

  • StoutCortez

    You hit the nail on the head. Romney accomplished exactly what he needed to accomplish last night.

    Ever notice that Obama talks in hurried spurts of words punctuated by incongruous intervals of silence?

  • StoutCortez

    How do you like 1.3% growth, George? Please tell us why we should celebrate the worst recovery (if you can call it that) in history.

  • JayC777

    ” Social programs had nothing to do with it.”
    Sure they do, they have more to do with it than anything else.
    ” Sorry.”
    Yes, you are.
    Jay
    But, hey, thanks for playing.

  • mikey0311

    Reality of rhetoric proves 0-blama is a failed President. The focus MUST remain on jobs and the economy of which 0-blama talks bus does NOT perform. The blame Bush era ended and someone forgot to tell the Democrats!!

  • RobLACa

    You idiot, you just named all the willing accomplices of the criminal organization of democrats. They are their cohorts you loser as if you didn’t know. The democrats party of perpetual fraud could not exist without their partners in the corrupt panic stricken liberal Media. They all belong in prison, not positions of power and influence.

    The party of democrats is nothing but a criminal organization that fiends for power and tax payer dollars worse crack heads fiend for crack. It’s a historic fact that democrats cannot win elections on merit or honesty. Obama has been the best at exposing with out a doubt what serial lying criminal frauds the party of democrats have become.

  • StoutCortez

    Not even keeping up with population growth. A pathetic record of failure. The worst President in history by a wide margin.

  • mikey0311

    And who got 9% more air time idiot!!

  • BCML

    The Romney campaign is trying to peddle a 5 Point Plan that is a total pile of rubbish. There is no numerical integrity to it. It should be called the “Smoke and Mirrors” Plan. I hope Americans don’t swallow this snake oil.

  • StoutCortez

    GDP can go up every month forever and still not catch up to population growth. 1.3% growth is horrible.

  • mikey0311

    Good point Bill. I wish Romney could have said that one!! I did like Romney’s comment over Rhetoric vs Results!! All 0-blama could do is talk about what he is going to do and not his accomplishments, especially on the REAL issues of jobs and our economy.

  • BCML

    Obama was correct. Go back and check crude oil prices. They dove in 2009 after the full scope of the Bush Depression came to occur. They have risen steadily since then – just like GDP and employment.

  • mikey0311

    Called realtiy idiot, of course reality is something wachos like you just can’t understand!!

  • BCML

    “Fat pig”? You can do better than that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/phadras.johns Phadras Johns

    Ah That’s all balderdash. Complete horse hockey. No one owes anyone else a thing save the respect we have as human beings. Complex and capable society eh? Made that way by whom? Those who work and produce. ‘Sides ain’t that complex at all. You work, you live, you pay taxes, you die, see simple really. The complexity comes from the attempt to lie and control others….i.e. democrats

  • BCML

    JohnGalt: Get back on your anti-paranoia meds.

  • StoutCortez

    He needed much more than a slim victory. He didn’t get it.

  • BCML

    The fact is Mitt the Twit was wrong, and he was sputtering like a goat trying to interrupt. He lied; got caught; and it won’t be the last time.

  • RobLACa

    All you panic stricken democrat accomplices have left are DOPE FIEND MOVES. Nothing but incompetent criminal frauds that fiend for power and tax payer dollars.

    We are paying the price for the continued existence of this criminal organization. The democrat party of waste fraud and abuse.

  • bbnpdad

    I share the believe that Crowley tried to swing this for Obama.

    Just look at the questions they got:

    A 2008 voter says he’s disappointed in the results since 2008 and throws Obama a softball – practically begging Obama to throw him a few crumbs of hope so he can feel better….

    Then…

    Romney is basically asked to prove a negative – i.e., “please prove to me that you’re not George Bush reincarnate.”

    And these questions were PRE-APPROVED by Crowley? C’mon, those two questions highlight exactly how biased these questions were.

    Also, I think a lot of people are missing the point on the Obama Rose Garden speech.

    Remember that this President is on record saying that he is a “better speech writer than [his] speech writers!”

    What Obama said was: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.”

    Obama, talented speech writer that he is, specifically and carefully crafted that statement to NOT call Behngazi a “terrorist act” or an “act of terror”. He used lawyerly “weasel-words” ON PURPOSE, so that he would have plausible deniability, just in case it was NOT an act of terror. Either that, or for other reasons (diplomatic, perhaps), he didn’t want to go on record calling Behngazi an act of terror at the time. This is a classic case of what was NOT said being more important than what WAS said.

    The bottom line is that Obama did NOT call Bhengazi an act of terror; to the contrary, he specifically and intentionally crafted that statement to AVOID calling Behngazi an act of terror.

    Romney was right. Crowley was wrong. And Obama lied – because he (more than anybody else) knows that he crafted that language specifically to avoid directly calling Behngazi an act of terror. And then he turned around and claimed that’s exactly what he did. That was a big, fat lie, and a talented speech writer like him knows it, even if this subtle distinction isn’t picked up by most people…

  • BCML

    Jay: Get help. Perhaps the prison psychiatrist can prescribe something.

  • BCML

    “The CBS and CNN polls had Obama winning the debate.” Thanks, added to my list I guess it is game, set, match. The only needle Romney moved was the Lie Detector. He got caught and it won’t be the last time.

  • Kirkus1964

    W’s GDP growth was worse, and he didn’t inherit anything like what Obama did. BTW, GDP was SIGNIFICANTLY better under Dems from 1961 through 2000, so you must think Dem is the way to go, eh?

  • A. Citizen

    Perhaps I should clarify. By “prohibited from participating” I mean explicitly excluded by law or by system design. I agree that there should be a safety net for those who, for whatever reason, cannot work to support themselves. But this is not “redistribution” in the sense the Obama administration envisions it. He wants to engineer society by picking winners and losers. He favors a cradle-to-grave entitlement system where the individual is basically dependent on some government program for everything. Need education? The government will provide it. Need a job? We’ll take care of that for you. Need health care? Nanny state has it covered. Need your bottom wiped? See health care above. “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” Sounds like Utopia, right? Except for that old bugaboo human nature. The more you take from the producers, the less incentive there is to produce and succeed. Why work hard to achieve more when the government is just going to confiscate it and give it to someone who “needs” it more than me? Eventually the system becomes unsustainable.

  • RobLACa

    Not just Obama, the entire criminal organization of democrats. They are unfit and unworthy of running this Country or holding positions of power at any level of Government.

  • BCML

    Greg: Do you need a kleenex to dab your tears. That mean moderator made you cry. Mitt lied; got caught. Period.

  • JohnGalt

    BillClintonMonicaLewinsky:

    1) Remove your Collectivist propaganda RayBans.

    2) Cheerfully accept a cut in pay from your Marxist handlers for your incredibly incompetent, embarrassingly ignorant perfomance here, today.

    3) Stay several parsecs away from any conversation regarding economics, among adults with real fiscal and business understanding.

  • DarqueSideOfTheMoon

    Romney failed to connect and at times looked frantic and wild-eyed. Obama did what he needed to do, which was prove he still wants the job and has what it takes to get it done. Trying to paint Romney as the winner is pathetic… he didn’t win last night. Perhaps he’ll do better next week… maybe.

  • RobLACa

    Who are you trying to kid? You panic stricken loser, your phony confidence is nothing more than a desperate democrat dope fiend move. As well as every desperate lie and diversion you speak in hopes to fool enough people. You are a willing criminal fraud and accomplice.

  • AgTrotter

    Man-Child refers to a child masquerading as a man. It appears that struck too close to home with you.

    As for an economics tutorial, I fear that you are the one in need of it. Coerced redistribution has nothing to do with free enterprise.

    Try again, Sunshine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Cash/778084075 Sean Cash

    I almost blew a gasket when i heard the moronic question about 70% pay for women…
    Simple question , if i could get a woman to do the same job as a man for 30% less.. why in the hell would i ever hire a man???

    The fact is that talking point is totally bogus and show how tilted Crowley really is …

  • BCML

    Mikey: Obama got more air time because he had more to say. And…. Romneys motor mouth works so fast he can spew out 10 minutes worth of rubbish in 5 minutes. Plus he interrupts and lies. Any other brilliant point my silly friend?

  • BostonMary

    CROWLEY INTERRUPTS ROMNEY 28 TIMES by William Bigelow

    Candy Crowley is just one more liberal moderator in the tank for Barack Obama. In the first presidential debate, Jim Lehrer, no slouch at shilling for the Democratic Party, interrupted Mitt Romney 15 times. Crowley made Lehrer look like an amateur.

    Crowley interrupted Romney 28 times. Her desperation to keep Romney from scoring points was so patently obvious that it wasn’t really a surprise when she had her infamous moment: the moment when she interrupted and falsely claimed Romney was incorrect in accusing Obama of refusing to call the Benghazi attack an Act of Terror.

    Crowley’s obvious partisanship prompted her to treat Romney with great Disrespect:

    1. She wouldn’t let him respond when Obama lied about the Auto Industry. First she called him Mr. Romney instead of governor, then protested, “there’ll be plenty of time here coming up.” Romney never did get the chance to respond.

    2. After the question asking whether Gas Prices as they stand now are the new normal, Obama got two chances to respond. When Romney asked for his second chance, Crowley shut him off by saying, “ … I’m going to give you a chance here. I promise you, I’m going to.” She did not.

    3. When discussing how he would deal with Deductions, just as Romney was about to destroy Obama with statistics, Crowley jumped in to save her man not only by denying the value of statistics, but changing the narrative to say Romney’s numbers couldn’t possibly add up.

    4. When Romney was trying to make a point of Obama’s pension investing in China, Crowley cut him off by insinuating people were tired of him talking: “Governor Romney, make it short. See all these people waiting? Make it short.”

    Then she really tried to humiliate him with this: “If I could have you sit down, Governor Romney. Thank you.” SHE NEVER ASKED OBAMA TO SIT DOWN.

    5. The infamous incident when she interrupted Romney’s claim about Obama’s refusal to call the Benghazi murders a terror attack: “It – it – it – He – he did call it an act of terror.” Prompted by Obama to say it a little louder, Lap Dog that she was, Crowley obliged.

    6. Just as egregiously, when the question was about assault weapons and Romney naturally started to discuss Fast and Furious, Crowley quickly shifted him away from that and turned it into an attack on Romney’s assault ban position: “Governor, Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that once were once banned and are no longer banned. I know that you signed an assault weapons ban when you were in Massachusetts, obviously, with this question, you no longer do support that. Why is that, given the kind of violence that we see sometimes with these mass killings? Why is it that you have changed your mind?’

    The fact that Obama escaped all night long by Lie after Lie didn’t seem to disturb Crowley in the slightest. She had her shadowy agenda, and she stuck to it fiercely. Now it is our job to throw her out into the sun where every American can see exactly How Dirty She Is.

    William Bigelow’s Words are a great Tribute to the Memory of Andrew Breitbart, 17 Oct 2012, Breitbart

  • BCML

    Jay: Thanks for trying to say something intelligent. I watched every minute of the debate. I saw the ACTUAL debate not the one I wanted to see.

  • BCML

    JohnGalt: Your vocabulary vastly exceeds your intelligence. I assure you my formal economics knowledge exceeds yours PLUS I don’t try to use a bunch of words I don’t understand. It looks like you used the Official Neo-con Thesaurus.

  • Dustoff

    You mean like how he saved GM. Yet they still owe is billions.
    They stopped production of the Volt.
    All the failed green jobs.

  • BCML

    Reality? Not something you deal with often is it? Take spelling lessons as well. Teacher might call a pop quiz. It happens a lot in 3rd grade. Time for cookies and nap, Mikey.

  • Doug Lynn

    I am disappointed in Romney’s followup to the Libya security question. First, he allowed the President to accept responsibililty without answering the question which required him to explain the logic of denying additional security when any reasoned analysis demands a granting of more security. Second, I think he should have pointed out that Obama always says he cares deeply, as if words matter as much or more than results or actions. He should have pointed out that he said he would cut the deficit in half and failed. He said would get unemployment down below 6% and failed. He says he cares about our diplomates but when they request more security, his administration denies it.

  • Dustoff

    Could have fooled us. So who killed Mr. Stevens. The video or a bad guy. O-dumber can’t seem to make up his mind

  • Dustoff

    His plan is?
    How has O-dumbers worked out. 16 trillion deeper. Not one single cut, as he said he would.

  • Doug Lynn

    How do know his 5 Point Plan is bogus? Are you an unbiased economist that deserves our respect or just another ignorant Obama sychophant with your brain on auto-pilot?

  • Dustoff

    He can’t. You Hope & Changers took them all. Granted it’s been a depressing 4 years.

  • Bruno

    BCML.. I think this about sums it up for where we are and where we are headed with 4 more years of the same speech. Looks like you prefer the first category.

    PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else’s cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.
    BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else’s cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.
    FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.
    PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

    I for one would rather have this

    LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.Have more cows. Make and sell more milk and make more money.

  • Dustoff

    NOPE… Mitt was right. No matter how you guys try to hide what really happened. O-dumber went to bed during a fire fight. Mr. Steven s dead. That you can’t change.

  • Dustoff

    FAt pig. OOOOOO-them must be fighting words. Of a 5 yr old.

  • Doug Lynn

    I agree. Many of these people are undecided because they only care about their personal situation. They do not care about the country. We have way too many voters that would rather we all be equally poor than allow more economic freedom if it means they might get the short stick.

  • Dustoff

    Who complained about high prices during Bush. That be O-dumber. Now the shoe is on the other foot. Get use to it.

  • Dustoff

    Social programs had nothing to do with it.”
    ***********************

    Tell that to Italy & Greece. (-:

  • dianecamp2313

    and in fact lost more than $billion in Europe this year. Yeah GM is doing great.

  • Dustoff

    I gave you MSNBC too. Not a conservative news org.

  • BCML

    Jay: Social Programs had NOTING to do with the crash – NOTHING. Believe what you will, but you are wrong.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YQ34LKM4REYI2XEX7XVQVWVFFU Dennis

    EXCEPT,
    Mr. Obama has the last four years of performance and there isn’t enough snake oil in the world to cover that mess.

  • Dustoff

    Friends of yours?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YQ34LKM4REYI2XEX7XVQVWVFFU Dennis

    Sure……
    North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba…

  • Dustoff

    He just told ya the truth. Poor O-dumber. Candy, candy, candy help me… That was the best part of the show. LOL

  • BCML

    Different issue. They both have serious tax compliance issues. Under Romney, we would collect less as well. In those countries they just don’t bother. Maybe Mitt the Greek would be happier in Athens where his tax dodging is accepted sport.

  • Dustoff

    Our humanitarian missions don’t really exist.
    *******************

    Hey dummy. Food for Oil.
    Somalia…. remember Clinton’s food give away.

  • Dustoff

    OOPS… just an opinion.

  • taek1

    What has sorry got to do with anything. Unless you are apologizing for wasting our time with your comment.

  • dianecamp2313

    what you reward you get more of. What you punish you get less of. Redistribution rewards those who do not work hard enough to take care of themselves and punishes those who do by taking away part of what they earn. The only end point is more who take and less who make. Redistribution is not self sustaining and ends in collapse. There is no other outcome except in theory. In practice, Once the takers outnumber the makers the system collapses.

  • BCML

    Nice to see you got it all figured out, Phadras. Simple explanations for simple people. And what is horse hockey? Are yo one of those thumpers who can’t swear?

  • JohnGalt

    So sorry that YOU don’t understand the words I used, and feel threatened and inferior. Maturity usually will provide some succor.

    Not a comfortable place for poseur Leftists in love with their “formal economics knowlege”.

    Maybe your fellow Socialists will give you a shiny prize, though I understand they’ve already distributed their now meaningless Nobels, to other economic dopes. Those at “prestigious” universities who are similarly self-enamored with their consummate “knowledge” concerning the utterly failed Keynesian Theory.

  • dianecamp2313

    Not true about unemployment numbers. For many years we saw 5% unemployment. 8% unemployment is not the norm it is asad Obama achievement due to bad policy.

  • BCML

    Hey there moonbeam: I know what the term means, but I could not figures out why any non-idiot would use it in connection to the President. Thanks for the bubblegum tutorial on economics. Read the back of your cereal box – you may learn even more. I assume you can read??

  • Chris

    Social Programs had everything to do with it. It was Clinton’s amendment to the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) in the 1990s that passed a provision that forced banks to give subprime loans to people who could not pay them back. Of course it was worded “..as to prevent property value discrimination.” Honestly, if you need to get a loan to pay back the mortgage on a low value house, does that not indicate you don’t have the income to pay the loan back from the get-go?

  • Lobster Mobster

    If you can classify it as a “lie,” yes, he did “lie” about whether or not Obama used the word “terror.” He did use that particular word.

    But Romney’s point, that Obama and his administration spread the idea that a video caused the trouble and that they refused to acknowledge the violence as a terrorist attack, is true. The moderator even acknowledged such.

    Why defend Obama on this? Even if Obama were crystal clean and perfectly true on everything else, it is evident that he is lying on this point.

  • Lobster Mobster

    Correlation does not imply causation.

  • Dustoff

    Man-O-man…. the lib’s are coming out of the woodwork this fine morning.
    Now if O-dumber had done such a great job. You think they would be talking about it, but their not.
    Instead it’s Mitt.

  • Dustoff

    By what measure.

  • Dustoff

    NO it’s not. It’s called spending beyond your means. Which O-dumber is doing right now.

    So you claim Mitt doesn’t pay his taxes. Prove away.

  • Dustoff

    Simple explanations for simple people.
    ******************

    Well, he is talking to you.

  • Dustoff

    WOW AG… the freaks are coming out of the walls.
    I guess O-dumber didn’t do a good job last-night. LOL

  • Dustoff

    Hey there moonbeam
    *****************************

    ????? Are you talking to that CALIF loser of a governor?

  • Altosackbuteer

    I wish Romney had asked that student who wanted to know about his job prospects, WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR??

  • Altosackbuteer

    Canada is courting Chinese investment in the pipeline BECAUSE CANADA DESPAIRS ØBAMA EVER APPROVING IT.

  • 1Mojo_Risin9

    Romney did just fine, considering what it is America is confronted with, leftist inspired/encouraged failure, abetted by a complicit media!!!

    If you [whoever] were a betting man and were inclined to wager, winning a bet as to who can [really do the job]! Of the two candidates, Romney/Obama, who would you place a bet on? To do the job!!! Who’s ideology to risk it all on! Remember, doing the job, who’ll best accomplish the clean-up, reestablish prosperity, that’s the decision we’re tasked with, to decide with our precious vote.

    Who’s really satisfied with the job Baraka-x has done and reward that with another 4 years, to take that risk, no way??!! He’s a proven failure!!

    It’s a no-brainer: Never vote for a democrat again — NEVER!!!

  • Franklin52

    You you silly fool. you make no sense spouting nonsense.

  • Altosackbuteer

    “Very Think Empty Skull.”
    ***
    What the hell does THAT mean?
    ***
    Here is a nonsensical Latin expression just for YOU:
    ***
    “Semper ubi sub ubi,” and it means, literally, “Always where under where.”

  • Franklin52

    Wow! You really are drunk on the koolade!

  • Franklin52

    no, not a conservative one – a full blown, in the tank for Obama, openly supporting him on air, left wing bunch of nut jobs. So what is that supposed to “prove”? What does BCML stand for? “Bull Crapp Mystic Logic”?

  • Altosackbuteer

    Mentally Challenged One, OF COURSE the Benghazi incident was terroristic.
    ***
    The QUESTION is, was it a spontaneous, sudden incident, sparked, as Øbama Øsama and Rice and others told us for two weeks, caused by that Moo-ham-head movie? Or, was it pre-planned a long time in advance, and exploited the happenstance of the movie coming out to justify it?
    ***
    For two weeks, Øbama Øsama and his administration TRIED to assure it, the incident happened because of rage over that movie. But two weeks later, even Øbama Øsama had to admit, they knew IMMEDIATELY that the movie had NOTHING to do with the attack.
    ***
    Romney was CORRECT — as even CROWLEY admitted after the debate was over.
    ***
    As for Øbama Øsama’s chances of winning, please do come back here after the election and try to rationalize to us WHY HE LOST SO BIG.

  • Altosackbuteer

    “Technically”? Hell no — LEGALLY, the embassy IS US soil, and any attack on it IS AN ACT OF WAR.

  • Bill_in_NC

    Romney tends to look that way when he has to deal with fools in a polite way. It’s frustrating. I have the same expression on my face as I write this note to you.

  • Bill_in_NC

    Manufacturing-related jobs are good, not bad.
    Obama is just trying a “me too” approach by talking about higher-paying jobs. It’s an effort to cover over the fact that these past years have birthed mostly part-time work.
    Obama loves to use happy words to cover unhappy actions and results.

  • JohnGalt

    You’ve got it D.
    This is similar to their Sarah Palin hysteria.
    If she is so damn “dumb”, why in their self-congratulatory “tolerance” don’t they feel sorry for her, instead of constantly attacking her.
    One thing about the politically obsessed Marxists, they recognize a REAL threat to their bullsheit when they see it.

  • gnirol

    Oh, please. The president’s record is head and shoulders above the unmitigated disaster left him by his predecessor both domestically and in foreign policy (and Mr. Romney made no specific claims that he would do anything different from Mr. Bush, except use a different name, and we knew that already), while Mr. Romney has no record at all in the last ten years in government. My assumption is he will be a Bush clone (since he can’t think of any differences) and sign whatever Tea Party legislation Eric Cantor and Jim DeMint (sorry, Boehner and McConnell don’t really count any more) can get passed in both the House and Senate, in other words, be the puppet of Republicans in Congress on domestic affairs. We are voting for a head of government here, not the head of a financial firm, a meat-packing plant (especially baloney) or a manager of a Wal-Mart, all jobs Mr. Romney’s experience might qualify him for, though he should admit to being at least a little rusty, being unemployed for so long recently as he readily boasts he has been despite his consistent 8-figure income for doing nothing useful the last six years.

  • globalcrap

    Amen

  • http://www.facebook.com/kingpatrick1972 Patrick Garret King

    Does it scare anyone in the Romney camp that weeks after debate #1, a clear Romney victory PER RASMUSSEN polling, nevermind the other polls showing the same, Romney is losing Ohio, IA, NV, and Wisconsin? How does Romney win again?:)

  • altster76

    Obama is biggest enemy of free enterprise and U.S. Constitution ever to hold office in the U.S. I wish Romney would say it a little more often with fewer words. The enemy within.

  • Dustoff

    Ahhhh
    Wednesday, October 17, 2012

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday
    shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide,
    while President Obama earns the vote from 48%. One percent (1%) prefers
    some other candidate, and two percent (2%) are undecided. See daily tracking history.

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    And Obama’a plan is…what exactly?

  • WailingAndGnashingOfTeeth

    The myOpic one better start packing.

  • BostonMary

    Ross Perot endorses Romney…

    Honey Boo Boo endorses Obama…

    Who the heck is Honey Boo Boo? Is she another bootylicious bimbo like Beyonce?

  • altster76

    Thank you Jose. You’re a good American.

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    You paid by the post or by the word?

  • zukatesta

    Why is “evils” in quotes? People do not use guns to perpetrate evil? Do you live in Teletubby land?

  • thohan

    Just a quick reminder not to feed the trolls. A downvote will suffice.

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    And the value of that “victory” is what exactly?

  • thohan

    Aye, and the pro-gun stance is summarized beautifully in your second sentence.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5N3BXLIARNX3GXFVPCTXPJ46FE LindaP

    So which Mitt showed up last night to debate? Mitt the Severe Conservative, Mitt the Moderate Massachusetts Governor, Mitt the Devoted Centrist, or Mitt the All things to All People At Least Some of the Time?
    No matter. Obama addressed all of Mitt’s incarnations last night. And kicked all of their butts clear to the Cayman islands.

  • CF

    I’m not sure who you are or what you do. But it is obvious you are clueless as to what is going on in the USA. There is not one economy in the world past or present that has a successful campaign of taking from the producers and giving to those who do not produce. I am a business owner and I can tell you from experiences over the past 20 years, our nation thrives when government is small and non intrusive and when taxes are lowest. Our nation actually will produce more tax revenue when the tax rates and entitlements are lower. Oh and one other thing, in 1975 then President Carter signed the CRA (credit reinvestment act) it was strengthened under President Clinton and then we saw an onslaught of Mortgage Brokers enter the scene at the end of the 90′s. They worked overtime to get people qualified for mortgages they had no business getting. Most if not all the mortgage brokers are gone and so are most of those homes (foreclosed). So, it would seem that under democratic leadership (Chris Dodd and Barney Frank both head the finance committee and pushed hard on the CRA) re-distribution does not work. Look it up for yourself before you start saying that free enterprise and redistribution work well hand in hand.

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    Since the economy (stupid) will be THE issue, tell me how those polls rated the two on that issue?

    I think those of us who actually think, know that women’s issues (micro target by BHO last night) aren’t going to be a key issue.

    Jobs and the economy will decide this and Mr. Obama has nothing to run on…other than attacking and distorting Mr. Romney’s plan.

    Libs are so silly.

  • zukatesta

    Redistribution of wealth, or our progressive tax code, was signed into law in 1862 by Abraham Lincoln. In the past one and a half centuries, it has enabled our free enterprise system by providing for the national good, and opportunity for all. Free enterprise without progressive tax is a plutocracy, not democracy.

    More recently, President W Bush provided for a tax break that benefited all, but disproportionately benefited the wealthy. This is a redefinition of our progressive tax code, and our rules for redistributing the wealth. It hurt us, and set us back badly. There is one best way to reverse the ugly trend in American economics: redefine our progressive tax code to what it was before Bush. Extend the tax cuts for the middle class, and end the tax cuts for the upper class. This is the agenda supported by Obama (who is a man).

    Are there other ways? Probably, but Romney hasn’t offered an alternative other than asserting “I know how,” without details. Why should I, or anyone, believe it?

  • Bcrew

    This is oxymoronic. The more you have of one the less you have of the other. Sounds like you may be the one who needs a basic Econ tutorial.

  • poed

    too funny Bill NC….too funny!!!!

  • Bcrew

    You criticize others saying their uninformed and then deliver a comment that is ludicrous. You can tax all the wealthy at 100% and still not get rid of our budget deficit. Wasteful government spending is the problem. Like you posted earlier I’m shocked you don’t know this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.f.ellington William F Ellington

    NOt one person has raised the point of all the wars we have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan…they cost trillions that was added to the national debt but you wanna blame social programs…pathetic..how bout we train our people to be more technical and better in skilled jobs not just fight for the oil companies

  • Bcrew

    Sounds like Obama blaming Bush and everyone else for his pathetic record.

  • Bcrew

    Actually Crowley came out and said Romney was right today. So who lied? People died Obama lied.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Hoffman/1306741763 Charles Hoffman

    Romney at this point has had 3 different positions on abortion, 4 on health care, and at least 4 different tax proposals (none of which came with any results projected and vetted.

    There might be a record he’s shooting for.

  • ShadowSD

    I didn’t expect Obama to clobber Romney in the debate the way he did, it was by far the most decisive victory of any of the debates this year.

    This article is delusional, as are the knuckledraggers in the comments; you can tell they didn’t expect Romney to go down in flames like he did, particularly on the last two topics. He went from clearly losing the debate on substance and style before that point to losing an outright bloody knockout on Libya and the 47% in a way that I don’t think anyone left or right expected. I may have warned Romney and all you fringers right here in comments on Disqus that politicizing Libya would backfire on you, and it did – but I just didn’t expect it to be the defining character moment of Mitt Romney’s campaign the way he made it, by putting all his chips down on that moment and trying to prosecute the President on the witness stand when the facts were a hundred percent wrong. Once Romney’s major error was revealed, all he could do was stammer. Most painful moment in a debate EVER. Absolutely devastating. I feel sorry for you guys having to make excuses for him today until election day for that roadkill performance. Have fun.

  • Bcrew

    1.83 when obama took office and again you’re trying to blame Bush? What a joke. Obama’s economic record is appalling. You can’t defend it. All I see see you writing is blame. Bush and some left over hooey change crap things might get better someday. No ones buying it. Obama can’t stop the bleeding.

  • Furious

    This is the lousiest article I have ever read! Will never come to this absolute openly biased website any more! Shame on you!

    1. What do you mean by ” ..two-on-one, he didn’t do that poorly either”?! So what you want to see is there is no moderator and can continue to whine freely? Then take any stage any time and you can have all your time, kid, but at home. This country has rules. In fact, this world has rule. Once you have rule and you agree to it, remember to stick to your agreement. It just displayed how Romney flip-and-flop!

    2. “..the president deployed all his populist hits.1″?! My goodness! Do you know why is it popular? You have NO knowledge! Do go find out! People are very interested to know why Romney is not able to make up his mind, answer some of the questions that have been raised for so long. A very very simple one: Why are you so afraid to show your tax paper?

    3. “..Almost all questions played to Obama’s advantage, though few were especially relevant to this election.” Wake up my friend! Is Libya to the advantage of Obama?! It’s so obvious! Shame on you to be so biased yet calling others biased! And if those questions aren’t relevant, what questions you think are relevant that are not called??

    4. “…Romney might have missed a chance to hit Obama on his Libya distortions”. Let me highlight to you: This just showed Romney is a script puppet. Without script, he’s confused and do not know how to react. I think a professional actor will do better.

    5. And on the economy part, you really should be advised to study more economics 101 before writing any article to shame yourself. “factors that voters might not understand when reading headlines.” What a load of BS! You thought only you know?! While all others are dumb?! And you are even so dumb to even link the article on “Obama was the one that took General Motors and Chrysler through bankruptcy.” Did you actually read it yourself? “…Romney for proposing mostly what Obama did”. Mitten actually using someone’s idea and make it his own! What a shame.

    And about manufacturing – I want to question are you really a reporter? Don’t you know and reported before that China is the manufacturer of the world? And where is China now? Are you telling me manufacturing is not the right thing to consider? Wake up, kid! A manufacturing industry is not just factories, and it is not just the hands-on factory workers. You have managerS, bossES, CEO and all the banks running their finances! Sigh, you don’t even know the basics and have the face to write an article here! I feel so shameful on you. And furious to read such biased and naive article!

  • Bcrew

    Sane and rational ones like MSNBC and NY Times? Hilarious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Hoffman/1306741763 Charles Hoffman

    In your echo chamber, Romney wins because he’s not Obama. Set the bar a bit higher if you’re looking for a contest that’s more than your self-referential drivel

  • Bcrew

    You said Fox is biased? You quote sane and rational sources? Huffington post? CBS? NY Times? Washington Post? You’re more of a comedian than I thought. These are liberal rags openly rooting for Obama. Most objective sources said it was a tie and it certainly didn’t help Obama. He is in trouble. Undecideds go 65-85% challenger always. Why don’t you use axelrod as a credible source next time? Just silly.

  • John Croshaw

    Wah wah wah, Obama is LOSING. wah, wah wah!

  • John Croshaw

    You need to wake up to the reality of what your belove God president is doing to this country.

  • Bcrew

    You keep saying Mott lied but Crowley today said he was right. Do Obama lied and you continue to. Typical lib lie and accuse the other person of lying. Pathetic. People died Obama lied.

  • John Croshaw

    OOooh, lookee! A liberal who thinks they are smart! Who would have thought? Do you think they will let you keep your Obama-phone?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Davis/100001456831891 Scott Davis

    Once again the Republican obstruction machine both created the protracted malaise and with a lazy electorate looking only at the top of the ticket, got Obama to blame. Bills that republicans believed in just a few months ago were filibustered to deny Obama any victory. Judges blocked. Budgets blocked. They should be called out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dafinger.breaker DaFinger Breaker

    waaa!, waaaaa!, waaaa!, waaaa! the liberal media, waaaa! I have some cheese to go with that whine !

  • John Croshaw

    The only winner is the one who got votes out of the debate. From what the news stations are reporting, Obama scored a big fat goose egg in that department.

  • Bcrew

    Obamas got no plan none. Again all Romney this and bush that. Never anything from Libs defending obama’s horrible record.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mikefromearth Michael McCann

    Dude.. You don’t need to search for big words to use in order to sound intelligent. It just looks like you’re searching for big words to use…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mikefromearth Michael McCann

    JohnGalt is clearly just drinking the koolaid. I’m with ya man.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Mikefromearth Michael McCann

    Sean Hannity much?

  • Bcrew

    You are just plain ignorant. Please educate yourself. Almost all Dems voted for Iraq. We had numerous allies. Saddam was a murderous thug who refused to follow UN resolutions and Iraq was all about oil? Try watching something besides MSNBC and you might have a clue. Or better yet like I said earlier why don’t you move to France?

  • Bcrew

    Maybe you should move North of the border. You sure don’t love the US and your philosophy fits better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Macso/100001208613306 Thomas Macso

    That’s right, the Obama budget proposals were blocked by Democrats, 97-0, 99-0 and 414-0 – NOT A SINGLE DEMOCRAT voted for them – NOT even Pelosi OR Reid. Obstructonists those Democrats.
    OR Obama’s proposals are so horrible it doesn’t eve deserve a debate by the Senate contrlled by stinkie Reid who’s sitting on 40 bills PASSED by the House.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Macso/100001208613306 Thomas Macso

    If Obama is allowed to “evolve” why isn’t Romney?

  • 1Mojo_Risin9

    So I take it Omugabe-x’s meandering, tangential histrionics are a sufficient argument, no specifics, just jive! His tactics appeared to be dazzle’em with obfuscation, misdirection, and interruption! He sure seemed to become aggravated whenever his record was discussed and most surprisingly Omugabe’s face would appear to blanch and display his resultant [cool] anger, hmmmm…

    Tell-ya-what, Obuckethead got beat like a dusty blanket!!!

    You can’t go wrong to: Never vote for a democrat again — NEVER!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Enrico-Rizzo/100000296706106 Enrico Rizzo

    Blows Commies Maoists and Libertards

  • A. Citizen

    Heh, I could argue that “technically” and “legally” connote the same thing in this instance, but I think we are on the same page here. ;-)

    So you play the little bitty slush-pump? Former tenor slush-pumper here…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Macso/100001208613306 Thomas Macso

    YOU’RE missing the point, those profits the Corporation makes gets taxed, if an individual OWNS the Corporation – that’s his money being taken away to the tune of 35%. Those remaing profits get paid out in the form of dividends – those dollars get taxed AGAIN 20% – that makes it 55% tax on that dollar earned.

  • oldpoliscimajor

    Your snarkiness is going to taste terrible in the early morning hours of November 7, 2012. It is hard to lose, as we all know from previous election disappointments, but your guy now has a record, and it is terrible.
    Of COURSE the leftist news folks say Obama won. They have been saying he had to win since the moment he lost the first debate. If they admitted he lost, the O campaign would have ended last night, in effect.
    But if you take the time to listen to the MSMBC focus group, and count on your fingers, you will be forced to admit that Romney won 4-2. And the CNN group scored it Romney in the 60s vs. Obama in the 30s on the economy.
    The real telling fact is that voters in both debates say Romney killed it on the economy.
    That’s the key issue, and why you will lament on Wed. 7 Nov.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Macso/100001208613306 Thomas Macso

    Try looking up Raegan, then you’ll be enlightened that it WORKS.

  • JohnGalt

    Concisely, you just are possessed of a limited vocabulary and are thus uncomfortable with those who have complete facility with “big words” you don’t understand.

    There is no “searching” going on whatsoever.

    Read more challenging, truthful material beyond the drooling Daily Kos detritus, and you would encounter lots of “big words”

    Further, you Leftists are deeply disturbed to your deluded core, by the fact that, once you open your eyes, the propaganda you are shoveled that conservatives are unintelligent simpletons, is total horse manure.

    Dude.

  • Pompus

    Don’t know much about Roman history do you dumb-ass.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Macso/100001208613306 Thomas Macso

    They got “Hazardous duty – war zone” supplemental pay – according to testimony by State Dept. employee BUT no additional security.
    They asked for extra security – got turned down because it was deemed to be unnecessary – yet got EXTRA PAY thereafter for being in a WAR ZONE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Macso/100001208613306 Thomas Macso

    Actually since 2006!

  • TanongSak

    I’ll take a junkyard dog to a baboon any day of the week.

  • SATCitizen

    I loved it when B)o( called Joey Boy out as a liar given neither one knew anything about Benghazi during the VP debate; yet B)o( knew all and that Crowley admitted Romney was “correct” after INcorrectly crowing for the commander-in-cheat. . .but Crowley is B)o(‘s “folk” and she was ready to “get the transcript.” Excuse the expression, but B)o( bombed big time!

  • SATCitizen

    I missed the beginning, but that will be worth watching!

  • SATCitizen

    Not in substance and that was quite evident in the polls.

  • TanongSak

    You are obviously making value judgments, and that’s fine. If people owe others an obligation, that’s a moral duty. But if we then make laws that dictate that such an obligation be fulfilled, that’s legislating morality. But liberals are consistent in their view that we can’t “legislate morality.” That’s one contradiction in their worldview.
    Second, is giving what you’re produced to someone else i need virtuous? If what you’re saying is true, it seems so. Nor am I denying that it is. The question is this: how can an act remain virtuous if it is coerced? Virtue has always implied an act performed out of free choice. In order to be virtuous, one must be free not to be virtuous. Yet, one is not free not to be virtuous when the law dictates that he do virtuous things, or face a penalty. One is then acting not out of love for virtue, but out of fear.

    Nor can you salvage the liberal view by invoking a concept of the collective. “We” cannot be virtuous, only I, or you, or he or she can be. There is no more collective virtue than their is collective guilt. In moral terms, the “we” is a fiction. Otherwise I could be held morally accountable for the actions of others; and that’s absurd.

  • SATCitizen

    you’re too funny. . .rabid dogs of FOX. . .that’s a hoot! Try deadbeat, freebie, I want my free birth control pills, and phones. . .now that’s rabid.

  • Bob

    What about Obama’s contention that lower gas prices mean a weaker economy? Why is that bit of specious bs not being contested?

  • Dustoff

    What in the heck are you talking about? O-dumber has no-one to blame but himself. O-that’s right, it’s Hilliary’s fault. Yeah what a way to man up.

  • Dustoff

    Social programs spend far more that wars.
    You know, it’s not that hard to look up.

  • Bob

    Crowley was shill for Obama. Why is the moderator interjecting new material to the debate? Is she running? No she is not. Her job was to keep them on topic. Other than that she should have kept her fat pie hole shut.

  • Dustoff

    Odd, so far one MSN service (polling) is saying a different story. Go look with that dream?

  • CJT1957

    Yes I am a little low for Reagan and a little over on obama. So what did your reasearch say were good numbers? And what is your source?

  • PumpedUpKix

    Worse

  • Kirkus1964

    First term quarterly average was 3.2 for Reagan, coming into office with a growing economy. First term quarterly average was 2.2 for Obama, coming into office with a shrinking economy.

  • LibLoather

    The only difference between last night’s debate and the first debate was Obama’s energy level. He’s still trying to put lipstick on a pig, whether stated energetically or sluggishly. He needs to just keep talking to give people reasons to vote for Romney.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thomas-Macso/100001208613306 Thomas Macso

    It doesn’t matter, non of this does, Obama has given up, when The One refers to himself in the PAST tense.
    President Obama spoke of being president in the past tense during last night’s second presidential debate with Mitt Romney: “The way we’re going to create jobs here is not just changing our tax code, but also to double our exports. And we are on pace to double our exports, one of the commitments I made when I was president. That’s creating tens of thousands of jobs all across the country.”

  • AgTrotter

    Oh, how cute. You offer no real substance, but you think you’re pretty damn witty.

    Hey, I bet you’re a liberal.

  • eewell

    Romney knew he wouldn’t get the KO in last night’s debate,but he sure got in at least 2 knockdowns,a lot of good jabs and Candy Crowley giving BHO a couple of standing 8 counts.

  • Nateisgreat

    Oh magoo your about as Sharp as a down pillow aren’t you. See unlike you I don’t need to bluster or play tough or resort to name calling as you do because your out of salient facts to discuss.
    Never fear, be like Mitt. Speak in broad generalities and avoid any actual specifics and the sheep from the right will all line up like the brain dead rush limbaugh (and actual convicted drug addict loser by the way.. ) and faux news fans.
    My confidence comes from a belief in god, 8 years of service to this country, 2 degrees, 2 businesses and a wonderful wife and kids. I take it your angry myopic views,repellent behavior and lil bo peep debate skills come from oh god I’d hate to blame your parents.
    Must be Obamas fault eh

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  • BCML

    Did a liberal bully you when you were a kid? Did a liberal insult your sister? You seem to have a fixation with them.

    Mitts 5 Point Plan is fairy dust – the forecasts are bogus, the whole thing is “sketchy” as te President said. I am surprised that such an astute economic thinker as yourself would but it. I think you should change your handle to “RightWingNoBrain”.

  • Nateisgreat

    Yes the situation is being investigated. Pretending President Obama intentionally lied.when our own Intel was saying that’s what they thought happened is hannity flavored kool aid for the right wing noise machine.
    That will go nowhere however finding out why the hell our Intel was asleep at that switch in a hostile area with known threats now that’s a big stinkin deal.
    Sadly for the right that stuff takes time and will be in part classified no doubt. Just like Bush was in office during 9-11 and when the far left tried to lay blame for that attack on him I found it self serving and repulsive (and I’m am a liberal) I find this equally self serving and repulsive.
    Come on Romney issued a hasty press conference while the building was still on fire and made a fool of himself. This needs to be investigated and fixed and the ducks that did it smeared off the face of the planet. That its political ain’t Obamas fault

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  • BCML

    You will see in November.

  • BCML

    Both. You?

  • johnnydavis1

    Obama has become the incredible shrinking president.

  • BCML

    Hey: I bet you are a conservative. Sloping forehead and knuckles dragging on the ground. And yes, I am darn witty.

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    Yes, we will.

  • BCML

    What does that supposed to mean?

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    And Obama’s plan is what exactly? He can’t even get a budget passed (BTW-no Dims voted for it), so what chance does any plan he may roll out in the next 20 days have of becoming reality?

  • BCML

    Don’t pop the champagne just yet, old timer. Mitt the Twit and Lyin’ Ryan are going down – close race but a hard fall.

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    Sorry, not sure what you’re saying. Which one is the “lying piece of crap”?

  • Nateisgreat

    If you read his previous post you might understand my response…I took liberty and placed my tongue in my cheek a bit.
    I don’t care if you disagree or even personally dislike president Obama ( even if I find that ridiculous), I lose all respect for jackwagon who starts a conversation by intentionally spelling President Obama’s name or equally offense garbage. I know when I served I didn’t agree with the administration I served under but I never allowed for that crap and most I served with would have kicked his ass for his lack of respect for our president, our elections and the people who serve this country at all levels.
    So Yeah I took a few moments to fight fire with fire. Not proud

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  • BCML

    JohnGalt: Take up knitting. You don’t have to talk and you won’t look so foolish. Economics is really not for you.

  • BCML

    wha! wha!. Is that the best you got? Conservatives are so easy to whip. Especially old stupid ones.

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    Are you really BCML?

  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    Thanks for your service. Disagree with most of your positions.

  • BCML

    I don’t defend him. But it happened, move on, but don’t let it happen again – take appropriate measures.

  • BCML

    Dustoff: them are the words of a 5 year old. I guess thats why I ignored them.

  • BCML

    Yes it does. It does not prove causation, but it does imply it. In this case Bush collapsed the economy and oil prices followed. Obama is re-building the economy, and combined with demand from Asia the oil prices have risen. No one controls oii prices.

  • BCML

    What hole did you crawl out of? You add zero to the discussion.

  • Altosackbuteer

    For your information, Slow One, the man who created the name “Øbama Øsama” (I thought to add the computer-style slashes) was none other than the late Sen. Fat Boy Teddy Bare Kennedy who, the first time he ever met Øbama Øsama, mangled his actual name so it came out “Obama Osama.”
    ***
    Nateisdumb, I’ll continue to mangle names of people I neither like nor respect, such as yours, Øbama Øsama’s, and Joe BiteMe as much as I want.
    ***
    What an IDIOT you are!. I’ll betcha YOU supported Øbama Øsama in 2008 despite HIS OBVIOUS and total lack of not only foreign policy experience, but also Mr. Community Organizer’s TOTAL lack of any managerial experience.
    ***
    Speaking of which — let’s go through the list of all 4 of the Presidential and VP candidates from 2008 and look at their total life’s managerial experience:
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    1) Øbama Øsama. Mr. Community Organizer. Total lifetime managerial experienc prior to becoming President: NONE.
    ***
    2) Joe BiteMe. Literally the youngest elected senator in American history, when he was first elected at age 29, which would have been unconstitutional save for the fact he turned 30 before he was sworn in the first time. He was a US Senator continually from that time until becoming VP. Before that, he finished law school at around age 25 and puttered around local politics for the next few years. Total lifetime managerial experience: NONE.
    ***
    3) Gramps McCain. US Naval Academy graduate, then a carrier pilot until spending 5 years in captivity. Upon his return, managed a few minor offices for the Navy before retiring and moving into politics. Total lifetime managerial experience: LITTLE.
    ***
    4) Sarah Palin. Successfully co-managed small businesses with her husband. Was the mayor of her hometown. Then was the Governor of Alaska for several years. Total lifetime managerial experience: EXTENSIVE.
    ***
    In fact, Palin EASILY had more managerial experience than all those other 3 PUT TOGETHER.
    ***
    And chomp on this after you watch Øbama Øsama get destroyed on Election Day: You’re probably CORRECT about 56 million people voting for him. But unfortunately for you, THERE WILL BE ABOUT 130 MILLION VOTERS.
    ***
    By YOUR OWN estimation, Øbama Øsama’s going down BIG TIME. It’s OVER — tutto finito. It’s 1980 all over again, which was the last time the American People had a chance to throw out an incumbent who let gasoline prices double on his watch.
    ***
    As for my wife — you’re right again. Actually, she DID vote for Øbama in 2008. But I forgive her. She’s a Polish immigrant who speaks only limited English and doesn’t understand the issues.
    ***
    So how come YOU’RE dumb enough to support Øbama Øsama. What’s YOUR excuse?

  • BCML

    I don’t have to prove it. Mitt won’t release the last 10 years like every other candidate. Ever wonder why? The burden of proof is on him.

  • BCML

    Wasteful government spending is a problem. But the well-to-do in this country are under taxed by every measure. We need revenue – from taxes and growth. Simple. We can’t cut our way to a balanced budget. Impossible.

  • BCML

    We have not had 5% unemployment since the good old Clinton years. Not under Reagan, Bush1, Bush 2.

  • BCML

    I know enough to tell you are a distinguished Roman History scholar. Except you misspelled it. It should be “Ignoramus Maximus”.

  • BCML

    Mary: A female redneck – not very becoming.

  • BCML

    Enrico: I accept your kind offer. As a Libtard you can blow me.

  • Nateisgreat

    Well that basically sums up the opinions of about half of those I served with. It takes all kinds though and we figured it out under duress that’s why the level of hate spewing between both sides gets a little tiresome ansi indeed I find myself doing it as well.
    I honestly think its not always the politicians at fault, its us…we get involved in our own versions of democracy we fail to remember other folks have valid ideas and concerns as well.
    Is it just me or have we punished good politicians so many times for Actually being honest with voters that they all figure its just better to lie, keep us fighting against each other and do what the hell they want behind closed doors.
    Look I wrote a book.

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  • BCML

    RobLACa: You are looney. Plus you have bad grammar and can’t spell. But my main point is that you are a loon.

  • oldpoliscimajor

    Old timer yourself. Me thinketh the lady doth protest too much. In other words, if you lack the classics in your education, you sure are working hard to get the last word in about your side winning. Makes you sound weak in your belief AND your ability to argue forcefully. Of course, you cite no instance of proof of why R&R will lose; you certainly cannot cite last night’s snap polls from viewers, or Gallup / likely voters today. Grow up. Get an argument if you want to converse with adults. You’ll need to, anyway. It’s a long life.

  • oldpoliscimajor

    By the way, has your success in the real world come anywhere close to either Romney’s or Ryan’s. I ask because you call them deprecating names; usually indicating a superiority of some sort. Arrogance, on the other hand is defined as a false sense of superiority. What’s yours?

  • BCML

    Slow steady improvement – just like the last 3 years. Plus: Cut the deficit by cutting costs and tax reform. He was pretty clear about it.

  • BCML

    Check the stats. 2009 was a debacle – since then we have had steady upward numbers. We are on the road to full recovery from the Bush disaster.

  • BCML

    Bcrew: You would not know a plan if it bit you in the butt. Give it up.

  • BCML

    Doug, my poor feeble minded friend: The plan can’t work, grade 2 math says it can’t add up. Go back and watch the debate. Obama said it: tax cuts plus an increase in military plus plus plus. Romney is a snake oil salesman. Don’t buy it. He just want to eliminate capital gains so he never pays another cent. He is out only for himself.

  • BCML

    No. Because they have money. Good reason.

  • BCML

    Yes. My success exceeds theirs. Thanks,

  • BCML

    You sound like someone 105 years old. I assume you are an adult – as you indicate I need to converse with. As for the classics, I sense you are a classic – an ass, if I doth employ the epithet correctly. Its 2012 – not 1815.

  • Nateisgreat

    Let’s see, almost every point you raised is factual yet your interpretation of those facts and conclusions are so pissy poor I doubt I need waste much more time responding to you.
    See the 56 million people and 20 million fake acorn registered voters and “undocumented workers” will all make sure people like you keep stock piling ammo front Walmart and looking for black helicopters hovering around your trailer.
    Since I’m guessing the library closes soon and your going to lose your free internet access I will only wallow in hyperbole a bit more with you before ending this.
    See my non friend, if Sarah Palin submitted a resume to my firm my background checkers would have red flagged her a day later for numerous scandals in every one of her prior “mayor of mooseport” gigs. Sorry I had more responsibility as a college aged district manager for an unnamed video store chain than Sarah Palin had running a tiny town and the least populous state in the union.
    Had John Sidney McCain done so I’d have respectfully thanked him for his bravery, honor and giant set of brass balls (tough loyal s.o.b. and if you served you’d know that’s a compliment…but you didn’t, you just talk tough) then carefully led him to the door because he was older than dirt and might not make it for the long haul.
    Barack Obama on the other hand would have definatly merited consideration. Ivy League law degree and at Harvard affirmative action means the smartest kids in the world who also happen to have different skin colors and backgrounds ( let’s don’t pretend mike tyson was getting through Harvard Law because of his skin tone) …Columbia grad, top student at one of the best private schools in Hawaii, and some experience both as a professor as well as a leader.
    Perhaps you don’t actually know what community organizers do but don’t pretend you can be an idiot and do that well. Then I’d say hmmm his first big crack at running a large organization I.e. his campaign for the nomination, where he beat a rockstar woman with all the money and advantages in the world and whooped her a$$.
    Then I’d hire him in a heart beat. Almost every fortune 500 in the country would and you failing to understand that simply shows your blinded by your own hate. It also shows you’ve likely never had to hire anyone or you’d be able to do this simple test for yourself.
    Oh who am I kidding, you think your smart and funny so clearly you can’t be very discerning. Ciao Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on AT&T

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  • LeftCoastRightBrain

    Should be interesting the “cut” part. Only is DC is a reduction in the rate of INCREASE viewed as a draconian cut. My guess is that if we froze spending at 2010 levels (or go wild and cut them to 2007 levels) for three years we’d solve 80% of the budget problems.

    We could probably reinstate the payroll taxes to where they should be. The do, after all, fund Medicare and the SSA. We could probably make the Obama (AKA Bush) Tax Cuts go permanent.

  • TanongSak

    It isn’t “supposed” to mean anything; it means just what it says. You don’t understand standard English? Not a problem, many Obama people don’t. How can you, when you’re never taught it? But sorry, I don’t know how to translate into jungle jive.

  • Bcrew

    So you can’t give any of Obama’s plan and you can’t defend his record? Yet you insult people’s intelligence? Why are you even posting?

  • Bcrew

    Ludicrous. Their overtaxed by every measure. The only way to balance the budget is to cut spending. The only way. Your hero Obama admitted as much and said raising taxes on the rich is simply about fairness. You could tax all the wealthy at 100% and not even dent the deficit. Of course like Obama you offer no support for your warped position.

  • John Croshaw

    Oh, I’m sorry, were you talking? All I heard was 3 MORE WEEKS! 3 MORE WEEKS!

    Nobody is listening to you, liberal. Perhaps, you could try praying to your God Obama?

  • TanongSak

    Ah yes. “Offensive,” the only big word you or Obama’s toadies know. Anyone or anything that doesn’t follow the official Obama line is “offensive.” In fact, your Boy used it last night during the debate, when he had no other answer for Romney’s accusation. Well guess what? No one gives a damn what you people think, or what names you choose to call us. You and I meet on the street, you call me “racist” or some other name, or tell me that my money has to be “redistributed,” and I smash your face. That’s how it works. And by the way, being a “racist” infinitely preferable to being a psychopath, who supports the killing of the unborn, as your Boy does.

  • Bcrew

    So you’re going to vote for someone who has no plan, had no experience when he entered office, and has a horrible record? And you think Romney is trying to attract stupid voters? Wow

  • BCML

    You are beaten Croshaw. Game, set, match. Dumb always loses.

  • BCML

    Get help…..soon.

  • TanongSak

    From whom? Dr Phil? Or maybe big, fat Orpah Windbag? No, I’m afraid you’re going to need help long before I do. And you may need a good health insurance policy as well.

  • TanongSak

    Sure it does, especially in Europe. And look at what’s happening to them. You’re in no position to tell anyone about economics. Your economics amounts to this:
    “You people have money; we don’t think you have a right to it, and we’re going to take it from you, by force.”
    Well guess what? One dollar of my money is worth your life. If you don’t believe it, trying coming to my front door to collect it sometime.

  • TanongSak

    No need to dignify it. It’s theft, pure and simple. It doesn’t matter what it’s called.

  • TanongSak

    Be satisfied with “man child.” I can think of many other things to call him. But then, you’d find that “offensive,” wouldn’t you? You come to steal my money, and I find that offensive too. But I’m prepared to do something about it.

  • TanongSak

    “Democracy?” Who cares about “democracy?” This country was established as a constitutional Republic, not a “democracy.” If you don’t believe it, read The Federalist, and see what the Founders thought of “democracy.”

  • TanongSak

    Of course he blames Bush; he says and thinks just what Obama tells him to say and think. If he had a mind, he wouldn’t be defending Obama.

  • Eric Blair

    he really didn’t use any big words. Are you that stupid that you think “trivialization” is some kind of ‘big word’?

  • Eric Blair

    That was a trenchant riposte?

  • CJT1957

    Nice try. Reagan came in after Carter, next to obama the worst persident. Inflation was over 12% per year, interest was 20% to buy a car. The economy was in free fall. The resession was actually worse than the current one obama is prolonging. Growth hit 8% for at least one quarter under Reagan…..Current growth is 1.3% or less, down from last year, and that was down from the year before that. The “good old days” for obama will be the year he came in. Un employment has not been as low as it was the day he took office.

  • BCML

    It was actually a pithy rejoinder.

  • snapperhead123

    I thought exactly the same thing when the pres. said that I wish Mitt would have came back with what you just posted…

  • Kirkus1964

    Look up the numbers, son. You’re either lying or stupid. Reagan had a lot of negative quarters. If you’re too lazy or intellectually dishonest to look up the numbers then I can’t help you. Average GDP growth was precisely what I said it was. And the economy was growing when Reagan took office. Shrinking badly when Obama took office.

  • snapperhead123

    Blame, are you really upset that Sean Hannity blamed Candy , you don’t really need to point fingers when its on tape for the world to see I mean I know Obama is outmatched and outwitted but my god how much help does the man need from the media.

  • siridh

    Additionally, Obama ‘claimed’ he said 9/11/12 was a terror act on 9/12/12; however, Biden said they spun the video because the intelligence community hadn’t told them it was an act of terror — he claimed that the State Dept. (watching realtime) didn’t give them that information. They really need to gel their story.

  • siridh

    Then Obama got up the next morning, skipped his intelligence briefing (again) and got on a plane to campaign in Vegas.

  • siridh

    And Wall Street would not have had to bundle all those toxic loans if the government had not made them make them. We would not have experienced the crash (at least not the depth of it) if not for the CRA.

  • Bcrew

    Saddam tortured and killed hundreds of thousands of his own people including using chemical and biological weapons. He invaded our Allie and we went to war with him. He had stockpiled of chemical and biological weapons that he refused to account for. He violated numerous UN resolutions. He shot at out pilots in no fly zones. He tried to assassinate one of our retired presidents. He was involved in international terrorism. He was given every opportunnity to come clean and avoid war. And you would do nothing? 82 Dems in the house and 29 in the senate voted to take action. Poland, Australia, Spain, and others were are allies and sent troops. Clinton did nothing after USs cole, Khobar towers, African embassy bombings, and first world trade center attack and his policy worked out great for us. The idea thatviraq was about oil is just silly, no serious person believes this. You can rewrite history and cheapen the price that was paid but there’s no question this was the right thing to do.

  • oldpoliscimajor

    Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you idiot. If you’d like to meet and test my age or any other details, name the place, you slithering coward. I have millions of air miles, and will accommodate as soon as you say. My guess is you wear rainbow underwear, and rarely slink out of your hole. Let’s see how well you respond in person. Game, chickenshit?

  • oldpoliscimajor

    Oh yes, I’m sure your net worth exceeds Romney’s and Ryan’s. In your fantasies.

  • dianecamp2313

    Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Stats–Unemployment rates
    YearJanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec20014.24.24.34.44.34.54.64.95.05.35.55.720025.75.75.75.95.85.85.85.75.75.75.96.020035.85.95.96.06.16.36.26.16.16.05.85.720045.75.65.85.65.65.65.55.45.45.55.45.420055.35.45.25.25.15.05.04.95.05.05.04.920064.74.84.74.74.64.64.74.74.54.44.54.420074.64.54.44.54.44.64.74.64.74.74.75.020085.04.95.15.05.45.65.86.16.16.56.87.320097.88.38.78.99.49.59.59.69.810.09.99.920109.79.89.89.99.69.49.59.69.59.59.89.420119.19.08.99.09.09.19.19.19.08.98.78.520128.38.38.28.18.28.2

  • BCML

    Calm down. Its only politics.

  • CJT1957

    Right, the negative numbers were from Carters time in office, child. When a recovery from a deep recession happens, it happens like Reagans, 8% growth, not like obama’s 1.3% currently. (Down from last year, and last year was down from th e year before.) And you are full of it if you do not understand what a mess Carter left for Reagan. Why do you think Reagan won the election? It was because Carter was just like obama, he had no clue about the economy. Again 12% inflation and interest rates over 20%. Look it up child…. The best economy obama had was before he gave the unions a TRILLION dollar stimulas…

  • justinwachin

    I caught the last 40 minutes of the debate. For all the debate theatrics the fact remains that Obama spent several weeks telling us the Benghazi murders were caused by a YouTube video. Either Mr. Obama was disconnected from intelligence relating to national security or he was lying. If he is that disconnected from reality why re-elect him?

    I want more than a great orator for our president. We tried that in 2008 and found that the Great Orator’s oratory skills were lacking when he could not read off a teleprompter. In 2012 I want a president that is competent and honest. Mitt Romney fits that bill. Barack Obama comes up short in the areas of competence and honesty. This election day the real hope and change guy is Mitt Romney.

  • Joel A. Edge

    Now where did I once say “liberal media”? Simple fact. Crowley was there to block Romney and support Obama. She did what she there for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CMancos Carolyn Mancos

    No you’re just to stupid to know any “Big Words”

  • http://www.facebook.com/CMancos Carolyn Mancos

    LOL…good one

  • http://www.facebook.com/CMancos Carolyn Mancos

    Please sir, use a small g on god next time when referring to the chosen one of the left wing, bleeding heart, atheistic moronic blind lemming Obamanation following socialist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CMancos Carolyn Mancos

    Actually, the movie trailers didn’t cause anything. Terrorist use any reason they can to kill. Terrorist murder innocent people because they are nothing but cowards and that’s their M. O. They hide behind women’s skirts, teach their children hatred, straps bombs to them when they are old enough to blow themselves up and any other human they can, because if they can’t win a war fighting the way men are supposed to,…they will use any dirty trick that they can. They will cut off journalist’s heads and post the video online for the world to see just how classy they are. They’ll hyjack airplane and fly them in the business district of Manhattan and if they kill women and children so what. And no movie ever started any of those events…and no movie had anything to do with our Ambassador’s murder. Obama said, “We are going to look into it and find out what happened so it doesn’t happen again.” Get the hell out of here…it should have never happened in the first place if Obama was doing his job. Then the panty waist goes and licks our enemy’s ass with his apologies after they kill our Ambassador and other Americans with him. Obama is just one big gigantic arrogant, weak ass idiot.

  • O. Locke

    Were the people posting here watching the same debate I did? willard got smacked!

  • O. Locke

    I wrote in someone else. willard is NOT Conservative.

  • http://www.facebook.com/terence.madison Terence Madison

    You’re misinformed, and you’re trying to mislead other people. But it won’t work. The stock market is at a 4 year high. The housing market is at a 4 year high. Just because of those two facts alone, gas can’t be $ .99. And all the lies and wishing, save it. America IS better than it was when the republican was in the white house, period, point blank

  • JoshINHB

    Proglodytes are unfamiliar with any word longer than gimme.

  • JoshINHB

    BCML- I don’t try to use a bunch of words I don’t understand.

    True, no doubt.

  • globalcrap

    Amen

  • taek1

    Vitriolic invective is the final refuge of the coward.

  • BCML

    Vitriolic invective is the frustrated response to trivial comments.

  • BCML

    I will so miss our little chats when you are gone. To keep your placid manner I recommend that you, too, take a deep breath. And hold it……

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YQ34LKM4REYI2XEX7XVQVWVFFU Dennis

    Yes, the numbers ARE up:
    Debt (up 5,000 billion to 16 TRILLION)
    Foodstamps (from 32 million to 47 million)
    People on welfare (4.5 million)
    People collecting unemployment (5.6 million)
    Poverty rate (12.6% to 15.5%)
    Yes, this is playing right into the President’s hands

  • BCML

    Also look at:

    GDP: Up 35 straight months
    Employment: Up, Up Up
    Dow: From 9000 to nearly 14,000
    Home prices: Starting to rise
    Housing starts Up 40%
    Retail Sales: Up 7%
    Consumer Confidence: Up
    Auto Sales: Way up

    Pretty good, huh?

  • dianecamp2313

    Look at the Labor dept numbers. We had unemployment in the 4s and 5s during the Bush administration.

  • Barbara Cole

    I was incensed listening to the unfairness of time to Obama and cutting Romney off by the moderator so much so that until I re-read the exchanges I did not realize that Romney did indeed get the points in on each topic for the transcription. I also think his remarks “you know better” and “you don’t have to settle” should be used more due to the fact those intros make the listener listen more intently to what follows!

  • dianecamp2313

    Not try. we had numerous months with unemployment in the 4s during the Bush 2 terms. Look up Dept of Labor stats.
    2001 there were 8 months less than 5% U-3
    2002 highest month was Dec when it hit 6%
    2003 5.7 – 6.3% range
    2004 5.4-5.7% range
    2005 4.5 – 5.2%
    2006 4.4-4.5 %
    2007 4.4 – 5%
    2008 4.9% – 7.3%

    Not a single month of Bush’s 8 years went as high as Obama’s best unemployment numbers,

  • http://www.facebook.com/joel.macejak Joel Macejak

    Thanks for NOTHING, dumbass – you just voted for Obama.

  • taek1

    You are so right. As I said in my earlier post, I always recommend that one takes a deep breath and then hold the thought you have and rethink it. So you are taking the advice I see. Good for you. But look, don’t fret about missing “our little chats”, My advice is always, In life think what is important, by asking yourself: Will this matter 10 yrs from now. Obviously not. But your family, your career, your health will matter. So no you will not miss the chats, but you will miss your family, your health, etc. And above all don’t even think about being “frusterated” about posts. In ten years none of this will matter. So forge on, head high and be honest and honorable as I see you have proven yourself to be. Good job.

  • Nerdyredneck

    He is a BS machine! No one person can contest all of his BS and have time to eat and sleep!

  • Nerdyredneck

    Its *ALWAYS* someone esles fault huh? ALWAYS!

  • Nerdyredneck

    Which is exactly why I am not a fan of Romney. However, the current occupant has GOT TO GO!

  • hydrangea1

    You just cast a vote for Obama. Are you proud of that? You’ve just told us that you prefer a m u s l i m to a patriotic American.

  • hydrangea1

    You really gave the dictionary a workout, didn’t you?

  • hydrangea1

    Awwwww, come onnnnn! Your really just sound pompous!

  • JohnGalt

    Straight from my head.

    Makes you feel stupid, so she have to fabricate an ignorant , sniping rationale.

    Envy and resentment: Liberalism 101.

    Thanks for the illustrative, object lesson.

  • JohnGalt

    Simply because in your abject ignorance and limited understanding, you barely function at the cognitve and vocabulary level of Twitter

  • hydrangea1

    You really are so silly! You have no idea of my political views. Just because you’ve been called on your supercilious, pompous posing, is no reason to assume that I am a leftist. So you see, you really aren’t as smart as you are trying to convince us you are!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dino.lizzi Dino Lizzi

    Obama is a legend in his own mind!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dino.lizzi Dino Lizzi

    I agree…he knows he’s done. After the shellacking that they took in the 2010 election and nothing has changed since. Obama is moving “FORWARD” closer and closer to the door of the White House!

  • JohnGalt

    “Called on” by the likes of you?

    As if.

    You’ve got NOTHING but base disdain for what most here would consider normal adult-level discourse.

    You know it.

    I know it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Greg-Moncada/1187805091 Greg Moncada

    You are correct! Mortgage backed securities did cause the “crash”. Why, you might ask? Since there has been sooo much written on this you might have paid better attention. “Sub-prime” loans cause those securities to crash. Sub-prime loans mandated by the Fed. you might want to read up on the Community Reinvestment Act- it’s a social program…

  • MOOSEMUSAELIAN

    That is all the Dem’s having been saying all year until Mitt proved the idiots wrong. He paid alot of taxes and gave millions to charity. More than Obama, Biden, Piglosi, Boxer, Schumer, Reid, Hoyer and Dicky Durban combined did.

  • MOOSEMUSAELIAN

    Where does he say he has to release 10 years worth of tax returns? You won’t understand them if I gave you 10 years to read them. Has the Idiot from Nevada –I think his name is Reid–release even one years worth? Of ocurse not. He gets his money from the Vegas Mob.

  • MOOSEMUSAELIAN

    Nice work. Please send that to Obama.–certified mail return receipt requested.

  • MOOSEMUSAELIAN

    That comment by Obama was the funniest I have ever heard since Comedy Central started broadcasting in 1995. What a flamboyant IDIOT.

  • hydrangea1

    Rudeness is the weak man’s imitation of strength.

  • JohnGalt

    Says the “rude” $hit Disturberette who STARTED this worthless exchange.

    Look Clown, you sent me a stupid, pointless, puerile message attacking my posting style, and you got a response.

    Grow up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    Where’s the college records Obama refuses to release? What is he hiding? That is of more merit than his taxes, how and why should it matter when his own people can lie on their taxes? Geitner for one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    We should kill the rich people, they are so BAD! I am sick of this mindset, you whiny pieces of garbage, can’t have it so you stomp your feet like the man-child and by golly you are going to get it!!! That is redistribution. Don’t act like you’re more informed and smarter than everyone else. You liberals are such a self-serving bunch of egos and big mouths.

  • Guest

    I meant my comments to go to Dustoff.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    Isn’t it wonderful that we have MORE people than ever sucking at the government trough? By your standards it should be a WONDERFUL world to live in now. Not for the poor working saps, you must have a government job, which quickly grew under B.O.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    Oh, I see you are feeling frustrated, calling someone a thumper because he shows a little decorum and class? you’re a putz.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    I am all for helping the disabled, but too many of them have money for the best cell phones, computers, the internet, and getting their nails and hair done. How does that work when I work 60 hours a week and i can’t afford what they can? Something is messed up. Some, many of them are scamming the system and need to get a job and find out how the rest of us live, and no, we didn’t get a free college education, we had to pay for it. They have more opportunities and Obama talks about giving them MORE. They don’t utilize what they are given now. I am tired of freeloaders, you are a bleeding heart.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    You mean the years when Clinton had to work with Republicans, he didn’t do it by himself. Obama whines about the Republicans and he had free sailing for a while and sat on his thumbs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    Look at BCML, can’t handle it. He has a lot in common with Obama. Call names and get mad when you can’t convince people to think as you do. Maybe when you have lived a little you will know what people are talking about or are you a recipient of government welfare and you don’t want to lose it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    She’s a little redneck girl, I think she was on one of the reality shows Toddler and Tiara’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    What are Obama’s ideas except to take it from the wealthy? Weird.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    Spending like you’re on crack and then printing money like there’s no tomorrow! That’s quite a slow and steady plan!

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    I am NOT better off than i was 4 years ago. That is the truth. You must be paid by the government in some capacity whether it be one of those jobs added, government jobs that is, or getting food stamps or some other form of welfare. You are fully indoctrinated and i don’t know why you think your cheap shots and name calling will endear you to anyone. You must be a lonely woman to hang out on this site and argue with people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peggy.kempfwilloughby Peggy Kempf Willoughby

    You are calling names and insulting but you think if you do it in a joking, cutesy manner it doesn’t count. Just like Obama and his minions. Can’t wait until your kids don’t have enough to eat, but you will be expecting someone to take care of you and them. This country is going in a dangerous direction and too many don’t know how to care for their own needs because the Dems have handed them everything but the will to care for themselves.

  • BCML

    Peggy: You say the nicest things. Who are you supporting in the election? Mitt, I assume. His 5 point plan is a hoax. You criticize Obama’s spending, well what about Mitt’s perverse tax cut and the needless Defense top up? Any thoughts on those?

  • Nateisgreat

    You can’t wait until my kids don’t have enough to eat?? Scuze me??? What type of angry loser hopes kids go hungry? Because of political differences? I own two businesses, I’ve worked my way through college, law school and never had a dime handed to me there I didn’t earn. Do you truly think everyone who voted for President Obama is seeking a handout? Indeed I could site statistics showing a majority of welfare recipients are white, and in that demographic a large chunk typically votes Republican or considers themselves conservatives. I could remind you that the government as well as churches and charities should always help feed the hungry and care for those least able to do so first. I could say W.W.J.D …hell I could say do onto others, but really why bother.
    Your ignorance and repellent anger, and feeling of entitlement.. yes entitlement are precisely why I do vote the way I do.
    News flash, your not royalty. This country was founded- yes founded in part on the basis of redistribution….and rooting for kids to go hungry to validate your myopic political beliefs is pathetic.
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  • http://www.facebook.com/harvey.melton Harvey L Melton

    at one point obama himself said that when he came into office the gas prices were 1.86 or so a gallon , but due to his own policies look at where they are now triple from that price and how is that good for the unemployed that has to get out there and look for work that pays enough to survive that pays enough to pay even the most basic of living exspenses, and if these same unemployed people have to get on assistance then if they make 25 cents plus an hour over what they are currently getting then thier benefits are greatly reduced or cut off altogether.yes it is time for a positive change, i hope.

  • Howard Lauther

    1. Nine days after he assumed office, President Obama signed the
    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, to help women get the same pay as men for the
    same work. 2. His Recovery Act supported millions of jobs and helped to stave
    off a second Great Depression.

3. He pushed for and won middle-class tax cuts
    that benefited every American worker, which saved the typical family $3,600 in
    taxes over the last four years.

4. He rescued the auto industry, and today GM
    and Chrysler are healthier than they’ve ever been, and the auto industry has
    added nearly a quarter of a million jobs since he took office. 5. He doubled funding for Pell Grants,
    helping to make college more affordable for nearly 10 million families.

6. His
    student loan reform brought an end to banks receiving billions in unnecessary
    subsidies. 7. He established the
    American Opportunity Tax Credit, worth up to $10,000 over four years of
    college.

8. His Race to the Top Initiative helped spur nearly every state to raise
    academic standards.

9. His tax cuts, social-welfare programs, and economic
    policies lifted nearly 7 million Americans above the federal poverty line in
    2010. 
10. He signed 18 tax cuts for small businesses.

11. During his
    administration, 5.2 million new private-sector jobs were created in 31 months.

12.
    During his administration, the unemployment rate has fallen to is lowest level
    in five years.

13. He initiated health care reform to provide affordable
    coverage for all Americans and lower premiums by an average of $2,000 per
    family by 2019.

14. His administration expanded access to lifesaving
    preventive care such as cancer screenings and immunizations with no
    out-of-pocket costs for 54 million Americans.

15. His administration ended
    insurance discrimination against the 129 million Americans who have
    pre-existing conditions. 

16. Because of his administration, over 3 million
    more young adults have health insurance today. 17. Thanks to his
    administration, the parents of over 17 million children with pre-existing
    conditions no longer have to worry that their children will be denied
    coverage.

18. He has ordered the overhaul of federal government regulations to
    make them smarter, practical, and more efficient, and it’s estimated that
    businesses will save $10 billion over the next five years alone.

19. His
    historic investments in clean energy have helped more than double the amount of
    electricity we obtain from wind and solar sources and helped increase biofuel
    production to its highest level in history.

20. His administration has doubled
    fuel efficiency standards, which will save drivers more than $8,000 at the gas
    pump, not to mention lessen the impact of automobiles on our environment.

21.
    He has taken unprecedented action to address climate change, reaching historic
    international agreements to curb carbon emissions, and taking action here at
    home to reduce carbon pollution from our vehicles and promote clean energy
    production.

22. He has taken historic action to protect our environment,
    signing one of the largest expansions of protected wilderness in a generation
    and putting in place standards to reduce toxic air pollution that will save
    thousands of lives.

23. He fought for and won landmark Wall Street reform that
    reins in the abuses that led to previous financial crises and has ended the era
    of taxpayer bailouts and “too big to fail.”

24. His administration’s
    Wall Street reforms has created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the
    nation’s first federal agency focused solely on consumer financial protection,
    and that agency is already protecting families from unfair and abusive
    financial practices from Wall Street banks and shadowy corners of the financial
    industry.

25. In a commitment to transparency, his White House has posted its
    visitor records online for the first time ever.

26. His administration’s
    approach to energy has helped cut the United States’ dependence on foreign oil
    to its lowest level in 20 years.

27. His administration ended the needless war
    in Iraq.

28. He announced a plan to end the war in Afghanistan and transition
    security responsibility to the Afghan people.

29. He sent the largest security
    assistance package to Israel in history and funded the Iron Dome system, which
    is protecting Israeli homes and schools from rocket attacks.

30. He rallied
    the international community to implement the toughest sanctions on Iran in
    history.

31. His administration has implemented historic increases in funding
    for veterans, and it has expanded and improved healthcare and job training
    access for them.

32. He negotiated the New START Treaty with Russia to reduce
    the number of nuclear weapons in both countries, while at the same time he
    secured commitments from dozens of other countries to lock down nuclear
    materials.

33. In 2010, his administration naturalized 11,146 military service
    members as U.S. citizens, more than any year since 1955.

34. He established a
    bold new plan for the future of NASA space exploration. 35. Recognizing tourism
    as one of America’s largest economic engines; he worked to encourage
    international visitors to come here. 36. He affirmed his support of marriage
    equality and directed the Justice Department to stop defending DOMA in federal
    courts, including taking the compassionate step of extending hospital
    visitation rights to same-sex partners.

37. He fought for and won the repeal
    of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, allowing gay and lesbian members of the military to
    serve openly for the first time in history.

38. When Congress failed to fix
    our broken immigration system, his administration did everything in its power
    to improve it, streamlining the legal immigration process and announcing a
    policy that lifts the shadow of deportation from hardworking young immigrants
    brought to the U.S. as children.

39. He dispatched troops to kill Osama Bin
    Laden and has worked to decimate al-Qaeda’s senior leadership.