Election 2012

Mr. Malarkey, full of Baloney

Mr. Malarkey, full of Baloney

In his debate with Paul Ryan, Vice President made so many false statements that a fact-checker hardly knows where to begin. In the interest of brevity, here are Biden’s three biggest whoppers:

BIDEN: Asked about the administration’s denial of requests from the U.S. mission to Libya for increased security prior to the September 11 terrorist attack on the consulate in Benghazi — which resulted in the assassination of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans — Biden answered, “we weren’t told they wanted more security … We did not know they wanted more security.”

FACT: The U.S. Embassy in Libya requested “an increase in the number of our permanently assigned RSO [Resident Security Officer] staff,” as well as “five TDY DS [Temporary Duty Diplomatic Security] agents for 45-60 days rotations in Benghazi.”

According to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, “multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi. The mission in Libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in Washington.”

Eric Nordstrom, top regional security officer in Libya, testified, “All of us at post were in sync that we wanted these resources.” Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, Utah national guardsman who led a security team: “We felt great frustration that those requests were ignored or just never met.” Charlene R. Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, admitted that she denied requests for more security in Benghazi, testifying, “Yes sir, I said personally I would not support it.

The White House spin seems to be that the State Department knew that the Libyan mission requested additional security, but that it didn’t inform the White House. If that’s true, expect Obama to fire Hillary – in hopes that the American people don’t fire him.

BIDEN: “On Iraq, the president said he would end the war. Governor Romney said that was a tragic mistake; we should have left — that he ended it — Governor Romney said that was a tragic mistake; we should have left 30,000 troops there.”

FACT: Actually, Romney was criticizing Obama’s failure in negotiations with Iraq. What Romney (speaking with veterans) said was that “the withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq by the end of this year is an enormous mistake and a failing by the Obama administration. Secretary Panetta and others had indicated they were working to put in place a Status of Forces Agreement … The precipitous withdrawal is unfortunate. It’s more than unfortunate. I think it’s tragic.”

Romney had earlier said, “The American people deserve to hear the recommendations that were made by our military commanders in Iraq. As the Washington Post reported, “The U.S. military had hoped that as many as 20,000 of its troops would remain to continue to train Iraqi security forces,” but, as McClatchy newspapers Europe Bureau Chief Roy Gutman reported, negotiations “foundered,” even as Obama “and his point man on Iraq, Vice President Joe Biden,” remained “largely aloof” from the process.

Charges Krauthammer observed at the time, “Obama was left with but a single task: Negotiate a new status-of-forces agreement … He blew it.” In consequence, as the New York Times reported, “Sectarian violence and political turmoil in Iraq escalated within days of the United States military’s withdrawal.” Tragic.

BIDEN: Asked under Obama’s plan “who will pay more in taxes?” Biden replied “people making a million dollars or more will begin to contribute slightly more.”

FACT: Obama’s plan is to allow the Bush tax cuts of 2003 to expire at the end of the year for individuals making over $200,000 per year, or households making more than $250,000 per year — not $1 million per year. Biden’s math was off by a factor of five.

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  • justsaynotosocialism

    Please don’t confuse Joe with facts – they don’t fit the narrative.

  • Ed Modzelesky

    Looking good for Romney/Ryan. Biden is an old school hack that needs to be retired. His performance was way beneath the dignity of the office he holds. Folks are usually more wound up behind the scenes. I wonder what he like at those times. Makes me uncomfortable.

  • Dunestone

    FACT: 16 posts/hour from our new friend Apollo432.

    I don’t know what they are paying you but it isn’t enough – you should ask for a raise.

  • AgTrotter

    Oh look, another member of the tingly leg brigade. Never mind that both of your alleged “facts” are complete fabrications, you just really tingly about Joe.

  • Henry Ford

    Who are you or the government to decide for someone whether or not they can “afford” to pay more in taxes? What claim do you have on my money and me on yours? This country was founded on the premise that one could own private property and the fruits of one’s own labor, whether a wage-earner or a business owner. Why don’t you put the coffee on, hand me your checkbook, and we’ll sit down at the kitchen table and I’ll decide how “charitable” you’re going to be today?

  • abc2xyz

    Biden’s antics, buffooneries, clownisshness put a stain in the VP office.

    The moderator at times became part of the debate rather reminding Biden that there debate rules that are to be obeyed.

    Does GOP has any say in who moderates the debates ?
    It seems strange that they [GOP] could accept such biased moderator.
    [ Obama was invited to moderator's wedding ! ].

    Under these unusual circumstances [ being interrupted 75+ times] Ryan was able to get home some important points, such as Biden’s lies that USA embassy in Libya did not ask for security.

    As for Biden, all his buffooneries and rudeness and some questionable facts, did not appeal to the undecided/independents. Sadly, Biden played the buffoon/clown roles for the left .

    If these buffooneries and clownish behavior are Obama/Biden ticket’s solutions to
    the USA problems , then Goya’s ” The sleep of reason produces monsters” is appropriate for their campaign .

    What a pity ! The debates are becoming more and more circuses rather than
    a bona fide reasonable, rational instrument of finding/analyzing the current/future problems.

    O tempora ! O more !

  • Dustoff

    He failed because like Afgan. He has no idea what’s he’s doing.

  • AgTrotter

    A raise? Hell, I think the DNC needs to ask him for a refund.

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    I’ll grant you the Libya one. The Iraq one is open to interpretation (though I side with Biden), and the $250K vs. $1M is something I want clarified because it has always been $250 so that was probably a misstatement. The entire rest of the debate, however, fact after fact and subject after subject, Biden CREAMED Opie — I mean Ryan.

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    abc2, sounds to me like you’re just upset Biden was so on top of his game and called out Opie on so many things.

    “Obama was invited to moderator’s wedding” — seriously, dude? That was 20 years ago. I mean, come on.

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    More sour grapes. If Ryan has done the exact same things you’d be lifting him up on your shoulders and high fiving each other. Face it: Biden mopped the floor with Opie.

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    I love how this is the caliber of criticisms GOPers can come up with after seeing their guy so far out of his league and so pummeled by a man with facts, specifics, and confidence on his side (not to mention a better vision for America).

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    I make considerably less than $200K and I can afford more. If I were being asked to chip in a little more for the good of the country, I would do it no problem. It is indefensible for folks making $500K and whatnot to be whining about having to kick in a few thousand more. Absolutely indefensible.

  • Wxcynic

    No he distorted known facts as the article points out, and he did it in an uncivilized manner that would result in an actual beatdown in any other environment. The guy is not fit to hold office, but he did memorize his lines well and delivered them with gusto even when it was not his turn to speak

  • Dustoff

    Odd Dale. Lib run CNN doesn’t agree with you. They say Biden lost.

  • Dustoff

    He was??? I guess the MSN didn’t watch what you watched.

  • Dustoff

    I make considerably less than $200K and I can afford more.
    ******************************

    Then shut up and give. Most lib’s just talk and never give. Just like Biden hasn’t.

  • Dustoff

    Only in you’re eyes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5BSIAS76EBFUWMTCLRXKYA5MYI Libnuker

    Biden was “on top of his game”? He looked like a cross between a grinning baboon and a bratty child. If that’s his best, it truly is frightening that this man is a heartbeat from the presidency.

  • Dunestone

    You’re probably right . . . I was judging on quantity rather than quality.

    But really, how else would you judge a paid troll? (or should I say troll-stitute?) Their reasoning is as faulty as their facts so the quality of their posts is always low.

    Maybe points could be awarded for both quantity and style? I dunno . . .

  • Dustoff

    Are you as dumb as the VP. The guy couldn’t even remember the two wars he voted for. PS. Check you’re history on who was Prez in 2009

  • Dustoff

    On top of his game? Like the two wars he said he didn’t for for. But he really did.

  • Dunestone

    It’s pretty easy to put your hand into someone else’s pocket and take their earnings, but you know what else is really easy? Paying additional taxes! So go ahead and cut that ‘extra’ tax check and get it in the mail today.

    It is for the good of the country, after all . . . and your refusal to pay more is absolutely indefensible. How do I know that, you ask? Because someone who makes less money than you told me that it is indefensible.

  • abc2xyz

    It does not matter that that happened 20 years ago …..
    The facts are …..
    1. Corvus oculum corvi non eruit.
    [ A crow does not tear out another crow's eye ]
    2.Lupus non mordet lupum.
    [ Wolf does not bite wolf ]

    Did Obama and/or Biden changed during the last 20 years ?
    No. The same with the “moderator”. All of them have been, are and will be Demo-Liberals.

    QED

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Check who’s budget in in effect for 2009.
    You need learn first how our government works.

  • SaguaroJack49

    Lifting him up on our shoulders? high-fiving each other? You must’ve missed the past 50 years or so. It’s always liberals doing that stuff. Conservatives are more restrained. We don’t shit on cars, rape women in tents, tear the town apart. When we congregate, you can’t tell we were ever there when we leave.

    Joe Biden did an OWS performance. We who live in the civilized world think his behavior bizarre. You drama queens and theater majors find it wonderful.

  • Brightmeadows

    I don’t know how Ryan let BIden get away with (1) his made-up budget numbers and (b) his faulty geography vis a vis the comparative sizes of Libya and Syria and (3) the failure of the White House to know what’s going on in a Consulate in a semi-hostile nation.

  • Brightmeadows

    He’s an insane sociopath and another BSing narcissist!

  • AgTrotter

    Biden was “so on top of his game”? What game might that be – stand up comedian at the psych ward?

  • AgTrotter

    Where does the DNC find morons like you?

  • AgTrotter

    You do know that you can give more to the Treasury, right? Why are liberals so eager to have others give more in taxes, yet never volunteer to do the same?

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.duley.10 Robert Duley

    Better cut back on that koolaid !!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Hofmeister/100002536594374 William Hofmeister

    Obviously you are talking about Ryan. And yes, he did clean Joe’s clock for him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.duley.10 Robert Duley

    Opie tried to respect his elder, even though alzheimers had set in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.duley.10 Robert Duley

    Sounds like your begining to come around. It ain’t about who leads but what they are on record as having stood for. & as always vote the lesser of 2 evils.

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    Opie was way, way out of his league. Looked like a deer caught in headlights.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Explain what you could possibly cut to reach your so-called “true deficit reduction”. In order to truly eliminate deficit spending, the National Debt would level. Thats about $1 trillion in cuts, far more than the entire costs of Health and Human Services which include Medicare and Medicaid., and 90% of those costs are mandatory. What do you want to do, gut Defense or have the nation go into default on its debt/loans?
    .
    Remember this, every program cut means a job cut. so you will also be increasing unemployment. Would you rather have people work, be productive or live off goevernement largesse on food stamps?
    I would rather invest in education and job training, technology, national infrastructure, etc. to build a better tomorrow for us all.

    Think! man. DIdn’t the space program herald in new opportunities, the interstate highway assistef industry, etc. ?: Created a lot of jobs, right? And many are still here, the most productive…

    Build a vac train linking each US city between interstate highway mediums, capable of not only people but commodities. Take the people on unemployment all over this country and get them to work building for our future, The dividends in that will benefit us all.
    Beats watching TV.
    .. .

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    More sour grapes! Biden creamed poor little Opie and it just drives you nuts, doesn’t it?

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    And the intellect floweth like a river….

  • AKgunguy

    Definition of Jacka$$ = Joe “the clown” Biden.

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    Well are they lib run and in Obama’s pocket or not? Get your story straight, whiner.

  • http://twitter.com/dalerichner Dale Richner

    AgT, I did not say I want to pay more and am eager to, I said if my country asked me to, on a fair and equal basis with everyone else in my tax bracket, I would shut my yap and pay my share. So if I can do it, why can’t the whiny, spoiled people making 20 times what I make and already paying a lower rate do it too?

  • Bubba in red “flyover country”

    O tempora! O mores!

  • http://poorwilber.blogspot.com Poor Wilber

    You must work for a public union.

  • abc2xyz

    You are right ! Mea Culpa [ Typo ] !

  • AgTrotter

    Based upon your aimless posts, I’m not sure you even know what intellect looks like.

    Hint: it’s the opposite of what you see when looking in the mirror.

  • AgTrotter

    “So if I can do it”

    “I did not say I want to pay more and am eager to”

    So, which one is it, Sunshine? Good grief, you can’t even keep your train of thought straight. Please ask the orderly to empty your drool cup.

  • JayC777

    “Oh, BTW, the largest deficit was $1.43 Trillion
    under George Bush in 2009. Even Obama hasn’t topped that one, not even
    close.”

    Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! ROTFLMFAO. What a moron. Only a complete idiot, of epic proportions, bought into that ALREADY DISCREDITED pap that the nutter, Nutting, put forth.
    Jay
    Tell me, again, who signed the $1 trillion dollar stimulus?

  • JayC777

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! The only thing that the rude, buffoon, Crazy Joe won on was being a lying idiot
    Jay
    Much like the mindless, delusional, idiot that you are.

  • WEL2

    The man who is only a heartbeat from becoming President is a slimy, dishonest buffoon.

  • dapcat

    Survey done the weekend before last nights debate asked people in one word to describe the vice presidential candidates. The three words most frequently used to describe Biden – “idiot”, “incompetent” and a “clown”. I think we saw all three last night.

  • dapcat

    Biden’s a sideshow act. No one with any intelligence takes him serious and no one today could tell you one thing he actually said last night because the only thing they remember was his pathetic attitude.

  • jwebsmall

    Is this guy really a heart beat away from running our country?

  • terry1956

    they both were wrong about social security going bankrupt.
    The trust fund never had anything in value that the taxpayers were not liable for from the start.
    Stop the myth, end FICA taxes and pay obligations out of the general fund.
    We are talking about a flat income tax of 20% or less on adgusted gross income when you include the Romney 20% tax cut.
    A 20% or less on AGI to replace the graduated income tax, elimnate social security and medicare taxes on employee, employer and self employed, end the death tax as well.
    Plus a 20% corporate income tax on C corporations but dividend payouts will be deductable for the corporations.
    Adusted in AGI not only includes personal and depedent poverty income deductions for all but various other deductions such as IRA contributions, moving expenses, certain education expenses and contributions a employer or employee makes to a 401K is not even included as income until the employee starts to take the money out.
    Mortguage interest is not deductied but that and many other things the federal government, federal reserve, fannie, freddie, HUD etc is just artifically propping up the price of housing.
    There is very little reason at all that a unimproved used house should go up in value or even keep its value, it should fall in value just like a car or trailer.
    Yes the site value will go up sometimes if the neighborhood is improved or other neighborhoods go to pot but the high price of land is mostly caused by the government also since it owns most of it and heavily regulates private land.

  • jwebsmall

    LOL – you sound as clueless as Bite-Me.

  • terry1956

    But Biden is still better than Obama.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    No coverage of the fact that when confronted on how the 20% across the board tax cut Romney is promising would work without creating a massive deficit, Ryan had no answer. He claimed “six studies back me up”. Turns out that half of those so-called “studies” were debunked Op-Ed pieces written by conservatives in the newspaper, one was PAID FOR by the Romney campaign, and the remaining “studies” were by conservative organizations who don’t even have economists or other qualified people on staff to even do the analysis.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    A lot of whining here, after the fact that Ryan was beaten by Biden. This was supposed to be a gimme for Ryan, and it wasn’t as though Ryan didn’t try his best – he still got beaten, though.

  • rdman_VietVet

    Are you guys really surprised by his bizarre behavior???

    Biden represents the inside-the-beltway, good-old-boys/girls, establishment career politician ruling class.

    DC is full of these old menopausal, entrenched, appeasing, expedient, placating, crab-walking, delusional, parasitic, megalomaniac, cut-throat realpolitiks Elmer Gantry charlatans!

    You ought to see their oneupmanship antics in one of their favorite DC watering hole after half a dozen martinis .

  • Doug Lynn

    Biden lied when he said that he did not vote for the wars. He voted for both wars and funding for them several times.

  • Doug Lynn

    It is true that Democrats loved Biden. It is also true that most polls showed Ryan with a slight edge or a draw. Most importantly though Independents, particularly women, very turned off by Biden’s constant interruptions, laughing and grinning.

    Obama and Biden are loved by the base, but they have a huge credibility gap because none of Obama’s key economic promises have been kept. The deficit is much higher than Obama promised, unemployment is much worse, healthcare costs are up instead of down, and growth is much slower than promised.

    You can whine all you want about it being worse than they thought, but that is just another proof of their overconfidence and ignorance. You cannot claim to know all the answers as Obama in 2008 and 2009, score a 70 and get away with blaming the other guy.

    Finally, it has to trouble people that the Obama proposed budget have received zero Democrat votes in the last two years. Obama cannot even get support from his own party.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Nonsense. BiteMe is the biggest debate flop in history. Not because he lost on substance or made any gaffes — he did not. He LOST BIG TIME because he was so DAMNED RUDE AND ANNOYING. Gore lost a debate to Bush because of his sighing and smirks, and he wasn’t a tenth as bad as was BiteMe.
    ***
    Oh, how BiteMe made me yearn for the time when Cheney and Lieberman has a civil, civilized, and MANNERLY AND MUTUALLY RESPECTFUL debate. It was WONDERFUL, and made one wish THEY were at the top of their tickets, and not the men who really were.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    One year after the stimulus, several independent macroeconomic firms, including Moody’s and IHS Global Insight, estimated that the stimulus saved or created 1.6 to 1.8 million jobs and forecast a total impact of 2.5 million jobs saved by the time the stimulus is completed.[80] The Congressional Budget Office considered these estimates conservative.[81] The CBO estimated according to its model 2.1 million jobs saved in the last quarter of 2009, boosting the economy by up to 3.5 percent and lowering the unemployment rate by up to 2.1 percent.[82] The CBO projected that the package would have an even greater impact in 2010.[82] The CBO also said, “It is impossible to determine how many of the reported jobs would have existed in the absence of the stimulus package.”[83] The CBO’s report on the first quarter of 2010 showed a continued positive effect, with an employment gain in that quarter of up to 2.8 million and a GDP boost of up to 4.2 percent.[84] On the other hand, economists Timothy Conley of the University of Western Ontario and Bill Dupor of the Ohio State University used state level variation to estimate that while the stimulus created or saved 450 thousand government jobs, it destroyed or forestalled 1 million private sector jobs, thus costing jobs on net.[85] Conley and Dupor’s analysis has been criticized for its seemingly statistically irrelevant results.[86][87][88] Other researchers have come to significantly more positive conclusions about the bill’s effects on jobs. Economist Dan Wilson of the Federal Reserve, who used similar methodology, without the same identified errors, estimates that “ARRA spending created or saved about 2 million jobs in its first year and over 3 million by March 2011.”[89]
    The CBO also revised its assessment of the long-term impact of the bill. After 2014, the stimulus is estimated to decrease output by zero to 0.2%. The stimulus is not expected to have a negative impact on employment in any period of time.[90]
    In 2011, the Department of Commerce revised some of its previous estimates. Economist Dean Baker commented:
    [T]he revised data … showed that the economy was plunging even more rapidly than we had previously recognised in the two quarters following the collapse of Lehman. Yet, the plunge stopped in the second quarter of 2009 – just as the stimulus came on line. This was followed by respectable growth over the next four quarters. Growth then weakened again as the impact of the stimulus began to fade at the end of 2010 and the start of this year. In other words, the growth pattern shown by the revised data sure makes it appear that the stimulus worked. The main problem would seem to be that the stimulus was not big enough and it wasn’t left in place long enough to lift the economy to anywhere near potential output.[91]

  • BostonMary

    Joe Biden interrupted Paul Ryan 82 times and Martha Raddatz cut Ryan off 31 times. In spite of being double-teamed by two liberals, Ryan won the debate.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    LOL! Apparently all you got out of it was a counting exercise, no content. But even so, it only made up for how many times Romney interrupted or kept talking over top of Jim Lehrer. So consider both sides even now.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    The BEST objective scoring anyone could come up with for poor Paul Ryan was “draw”. The only ones who gave Ryan a “slight edge” was the conservative media and talking heads.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Cheney? The man who routinely made a habit of telling people to “go f***” themselves? The guy who LIED about Iraq WMDs, the guy who deliberately undermined and set back our entire Iran intelligence network by spitefully outing Valerie Plame? The guy who shot Whittington in the FACE and took almost a WEEK to step forward with explanations, regrets and apologies? Wow, you are truly out of touch with reality if you consider him to be “wonderful”, “civilized, mannerly, and respectful”.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    “Bunk” in his remarks? Three things taken issue with? That doesn’t even come close to the 27 lies told by Romney in the 38 minutes he was debating.

    1) “[G]et us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about 4 million jobs”. Romney’s plan for “energy independence” actually relies heavily on a study that assumes the U.S. continues with fuel efficiency standards set by the Obama administration. For instance, he uses Citigroup research based off the assumption that “‘the United States will continue with strict fuel economy standards that will lower its oil demand.” Since he promises to undo the Obama administration’s new fuel efficiency standards, he would cut oil consumption savings of 2 million barrels per day by 2025.
    2) “I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about.” A Tax Policy Center analysis of Romney’s proposal for a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut in all federal income tax rates, eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, eliminating the estate tax and other tax reductions, would reduce federal revenue $480 billion in 2015. This amounts to $5 trillion over the decade.
    3) “My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people.” If Romney hopes to provide tax relief to the middle class, then his $5 trillion tax cut would add to the deficit. There are not enough deductions in the tax code that primarily benefit rich people to make his math work.
    4) “My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.” As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. “He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.
    5) “I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families. Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it’s completely wrong.” The studies Romney cites actuallyfurther prove that Romney would, in fact, have to raise taxes on the middle class if he were to keep his promise not to lose revenue with his tax rate reduction.
    6) “I saw a study that came out today that said you’re going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families.” Romney is pointing to this study from the American Enterprise Institute. It actually found that rather than raise taxes to pay down the debt, the Obama administration’s policies — those contained directly in his budget — would reduce the share of taxes that go toward servicing the debt by $1,289.89 per taxpayer in the $100,000 to $200,000 range.

    7) “And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate; 54 percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed not at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate….97 percent of the businesses are not — not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they’re taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half — half of all the people who work in small business.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.
    8) “Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.” Oil production from federal lands is higher, not lower: Production from federal lands is up slightly in 2011 when compared to 2007. And the oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, that it hasn’t begun exploring or developing.
    9) “The president’s put it in place as much public debt — almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.” This is not even close to being true. When Obama took office, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. Now the national debt is over $16 trillion. That $5.374 trillion increase is nowhere near as much debt as all the other presidents combined.
    10) “That’s why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. I don’t want to kill jobs in this environment.” That study, produced by a right-wing advocacy organization, doesn’t analyze what Obama has actually proposed.
    11) “What we do have right now is a setting where I’d like to bring money from overseas back to this country.” Romney’s plan to shift the country to a territorial tax system would allow corporations to do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the United States. This encourages American companies to invest abroad and could cost the country up to 800,000 jobs.
    12) “I would like to take the Medicaid dollars that go to states and say to a state, you’re going to get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1 percent, and then you’re going to manage your care for your poor in the way you think best.” Sending federal Medicaid funding to the states in the form of a block grant woud significantly reduce federal spending for Medicaid because the grant would not keep up with projected health care costs. A CBO estimate of a very similar proposal from Paul Ryan found that federal spending would be “35 percent lower in 2022 and 49 percent lower in 2030 than current projected federal spending” and as a result “states would face significant challenges in achieving sufficient cost savings through efficiencies to mitigate the loss of federal funding.” “To maintain current service levels in the Medicaid program, states would probably need to consider additional changes, such as reducing their spending on other programs or raising additional revenues,” the CBO found.
    13) “I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare…. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake. There’s that number again. Romney is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.
    14) “What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.” Here is how Romney’s Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2) “premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.
    15) “Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice. They get to choose — and they’ll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them.” The Medicare program changes for everyone, even people who choose to remain in the traditional fee-for-service. Rather than relying on a guaranteed benefit, all beneficiaries will receive a premium support credit of $7,500 on average in 2023 to purchase coverage in traditional Medicare or private insurance. But that amount will only grow at a rate of GDP plus 1.5 percentage points and will not keep up with health care costs. So while the federal government will spend less on the program, seniors will pay more in premiums.
    16) “And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or — or Senator Wyden, who’s the co-author of the bill with — with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill — Bill Clinton’s chief of staff.” Romney has rejected the Ryan/Wyden approach — which does not cap the growth of the “premium support” subsidy. Bill Clinton and his commission also voted down these changes to the Medicare program.
    17) “Well, I would repeal and replace it. We’re not going to get rid of all regulation. You have to have regulation. And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.”Romney has previously called for full repeal of Dodd-Frank, a law whose specific purpose is to regulate banks. MF Global’s use of customer funds to pay for its own trading losses is just one bit of proof that the financial industry isn’t responsible enough to protect consumers without regulation.
    18) “But I wouldn’t designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. That’s one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank… We need to get rid of that provision because it’s killing regional and small banks. They’re getting hurt.” The law merely says that the biggest, systemically risky banks need to abide by more stringent regulations. If those banks fail, they will be unwound by a new process in the Dodd-Frank law that protects taxpayers from having to pony up for a bailout.
    19) “And, unfortunately, when — when — when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So it’s adding to cost.” Obamacare will actually provide millions of families with tax credits to make health care more affordable.
    20) “[I]t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.
    21) “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.” The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans, despite Romney fear mongering. According to CBO director Douglas Elmendorf, 3 million or less people would leave employer-sponsored health insurance coverage as a result of the law.
    22) “I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts…What were some differences? We didn’t raise taxes.” Romney raised fees, but he can claim that he didn’t increase taxes because the federal government funded almost half of his reforms.
    23) “It’s why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had — had the plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside.” The Affordable Care Act incorporates many Republican ideas including the individual mandate, state-based health care exchanges, high-risk insurance pools, and modified provisions that allow insurers to sell policies in multiple states. Republicans never offered a united bipartisan alternative.
    24) “Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” Only people who are continuously insured would not be discriminated against because they suffer from pre-existing conditions. This protection would not be extended to people who are currently uninsured.
    25) “In one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. Now, I like green energy as well, but that’s about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives.” The $90 billion was given out over several years and included loans, loan guarantees and grants through the American Recovery Act. $23 billion of the $90 billion “went toward “clean coal,” energy-efficiency upgrades, updating the electricity grid and environmental clean-up, largely for old nuclear weapons sites.”
    26) “I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” As of late last year, only “three out of the 26 recipients of 1705 loan guarantees have filed for bankruptcy, with losses estimated at just over $600 million.”
    27) “If the president’s reelected you’ll see dramatic cuts to our military.” Romney is referring to the sequester, which his running mate Paul Ryan supported. Obama opposes the military cuts and has asked Congress to formulate a balanced approach that would avoid the trigger.

    That makes Romney almost 10 times bigger of a liar as Biden.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Thomas and Bork… “honorable”? Bahahahaha!
    ’nuff said about that.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Made-up budget numbers? It was Ryan who was at a complete loss as to explain how his ticket’s promised across-the-board 20% tax cut would not increase the deficit. He couldn’t name a single specific thing that would offset the revenue shortfall, and claimed “six studies” backed up his bad math and lack of detail, when the fact is that half of the “six studies” were nothing but Op-Ed pieces written in newspaper columns by conservative talking heads, and of the remainder, one was funded outright by the Romney campaign, and the others were put out by conservative organizations that don’t even have any actual economists or otherwise qualified analysts on staff.

  • Altosackbuteer

    IDIOT, I didn’t say a damned thing about Cheney’s career as VP (though half the stuff you said above is itself a lie and the other half debatable).
    ***
    IDIOT, ALL I was talking about was the debate he had with Lileberman. And, THAT DEBATE was a model of civility and decency. TOTALLY OPPOSITE that train wreck BiteMe put on.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Oh, how civilized and decent you are, leading into virtually every post you make with something like “IDIOT”. You’ve proven my point in that you are obviously not qualified to speak on the topic of civility and decency.

  • Dustoff

    Bull. O-dumber has made ZERO effort to pay down anything.
    He only wants to raise taxes so he can go on another spending spree.

  • Dustoff

    O-dumber stood for us by funding jobs in China through GE. Of a car company who isn’t even in the US.
    Best of all. Green jobs that went broke with in months of getting our monies.

    Confused I see.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Let’s make a deal.
    ***
    If you will stop SAYING stupid bleep, I’ll stop pointing it out and calling you what you deserve to be called — an IDIOT.
    ***
    Like the IDIOT you are, your posting — about Cheney’s overall record as VP — WAS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT AND UNRESPONSIVE to my own posting, which concerned itself SOLEY to the magnificent debate he and Lieberman put on in 2000.
    ***
    Stop acting like an idiot and I’ll stop pointing it out.

  • Dustoff

    Check who’s budget was in effect for 2009.
    You need to first learn how our government works.
    ************************

    Steve. Bush didn’t sign a budget in his last days. O-dumber and the dem’s ran wild with it.

    I say again, check you’re facts

  • Dustoff

    Steve.

    What has O-dumber made any effort to cut anything… Never.
    Nor does he plan on it.
    Talk is easy. Action is another story.

  • Altosackbuteer

    This is as long, STUPID, unreadable, and BORING as anything that fool Dingey Harry from, appropriately enough, Zaneyville Ohio used to put us to sleep with. If I want to kill an entire afternoon on something that’s book-length, I’d rather pick up Tolstoy’s War and Peace.

  • Dustoff

    Hey dummy. You can re-watch the debate on you’re computer.
    Show us where Romney cut him off. He did and Lehrer in many interviews never talks of it.

  • Dustoff

    Alto…

    Their dem’s. Truth means nothing to them. Like Joe saying he didn’t vote for both wars when he did.

  • Dustoff

    You are… is that not hard to see

  • Dustoff

    Oh, how civilized and decent you are
    *****************************

    So much for following you’re own words. Typical lib.

  • globalcrap

    O Bogus does has a vision for America. Illegal aliens criminals running loose in America.Welfare baby makers with no fathers raising them,that taxpayers pay for.Trillions od dollars in debt. Millions of jobs lost.. Voting fraud,no I D needed. Transforming America into a third workd country.

  • Altosackbuteer

    No — I REJOICE that BiteMe put on the most rancid debate performance in history.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Didn’t you listen to that debate? BiteMe said the same thing about Syria Ryan did.

  • Altosackbuteer

    I don’t see an anchor on your backside. I don’t see anything holding you back. Why WAIT for the Government to ask YOU for more money? Remember what JFK famously said — “Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.”
    ***
    If you want to give more — DON’T wait for the Government to ask it of you. VOLUNTEER to donate it. Do it NOW. Believe me, IRS WILL accept donations.

  • Dustoff

    Made-up budget numbers?
    ************************

    So it that anything like O-dumber saying he would cut the deficit in half in his first term?

    PS… we just blew thru ( deficit as his department officially confirmed a fiscal 2012 deficit of $1.089 trillion.)

  • Altosackbuteer

    MA has a two-tier state tax rate. 5.25% is mandatory, but people MAY DONATE at 5.85% if they so choose to do so. It’s a line on the MA DoR Form 1 tax return. The perfect way for those who are more fortunate than the rest of us to “donate their fair share.”
    ***
    Oh — so how many of the comfortably wealthy actually avail themselves of the higher rate? Several dozen, and it rakes in several tens of thousands of $$$ for the People’s Commonwealth. Dunno how many of those several dozen did it by accident.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Some debates are decided by gaffes (Hello, Jerry Thud, 1976). This was not one of them.
    ***
    Some debates are decided by great one-liners (Hello, Ronald Reagan, 1984). This was not one of them.
    ***
    Some debates are decided on substance. This debate wasn’t one of those either, since both men had their facts set out, and those facts are arguable.
    ***
    A lot of debates get decided on STYLE. Last week’s Øbama disaster was a case in point. the 1960 Nixon / Kennedy debate was a case in point — listening to it on radio, one thought Nixon won, but visually, Nixon wiped out. And in 2000, Gore destroyed his own debate with smirks and sighings.
    ***
    BiteMe, by THIS standard, put on EASILY THE MOST RANCID DEBATE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
    ***
    The American People have EYES. They SAW his rude and obnoxious behavior.
    ***
    BiteMe sealed the deal for R&R the other night.
    ***
    I only wish, at one point, Ryan had turned to say, after another of BiteMe’s interminable interruptions, and had said, “Mr. Biden, PLEASE BEHAVE YOURSELF. It’s NOT your turn to talk.”

  • JayC777

    Way to deflect from the point. The fact of the matter is, all the estimates from the CBO, Moody, etc make a massive amount of unsubstantiated assumptions. In other words, it is nothing more than a bad guess at best, ideological pandering at worst.
    Jay
    Now, did Bush sign the stimulus or not?

  • Altosackbuteer

    Flagged as spam.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Why? Both ARE decent and honorable.

  • Altosackbuteer

    I wonder if any of them went out of business after Fat Boy Teddy Bare Kennedy died.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Not me.

  • Altosackbuteer

    If yuo come across any polls of people’s reaction after the fact to the debate, do let us know.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Well, I ADMIT — it’s FUN. It’s ONE reason I like to come to HE and play.
    ***
    I admit it — I LIKE to torture the clueless. And a part of me actually feels BAD about it. Like I’m doing something I should feel ashamed of.
    ***
    So I may be a pervert, but at least, I’m a pervert with a semblance of a moral code. I DON’T unload on fools — unless, and until, THEY RICHLY HAVE EARNED IT. Then, it’s Open Season.

  • Altosackbuteer

    At this moment — which is some 34 minutes after I made the posting which prompted your question — it’s 4:07 PM, CET.

  • Altosackbuteer

    That’s funny. George Herbert Hoover Bush Jr. wasn’t even President after January 20, 2009.
    ***
    By the way, in that same year, Øbama Øsama remarked, he had 3 years to straighten it out, or he’d be a 1-term President.
    ***
    Well, it ISN’T straightened out. And this remark of Øbama will prove to be one of his more foresightful.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Good rejoinder. Because, if Bush DID have a budget in place, then it WOULD be fair to say, Øbama was working with a Bush 2009 budget, until October 1, 2009, at any rate.

  • Altosackbuteer

    What is your basis for saying that? Was there a CNN poll, or something like that?

  • Altosackbuteer

    What I don’t understand is why Ryan let BiteMe get away with all of his incessant, rude, annoying INTERRUPTIONS. Ryan would have won the debate HANDS DOWN with this simple put-down: “Mr. Biden, PLEASE BEHAVE YOURSELF. It’s NOT your turn!”

  • Altosackbuteer

    Well, like, YEAH. And historically, VP’s have about 1 chance in 6 or so of becoming President.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    no, Bush did not sign the stimulus, he created the need for it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    P. Bush’s budget projected a $400 billion deficit, but the receipts were $600 Billion less than his projection, so tally that up to a $1 Trillion dollar deficit. Then add the off budget costs of the wars, what will you get? Did those add to the Deficit?

    So what was the total deficit that can be attributed to Bush in 2009?

    Put up or shut up.
    Bush created a wholeslae mess, akin to starting a fire with Obama’s administration being the fire department providing damage control. You seem to want to blame Obama for the fire, he inherited from Bush being the arsonist.

    With projected receipts less than projected outlays, the budget proposed by President Bush predicts a net deficit of approximately $400 billion dollars, adding to a United States governmental debt of about $11.4 trillion. The actual spending signed into law in the final bill was increased by over $400 billion. And actual tax receipts totaled approximately $2.1 trillion, $600 billion less than the $2.7 trillion expected. The actual deficit in 2009 was $1.4 trillion.[3]

  • abc2xyz

    @Joe_Farnakle:disqus “This was supposed to be a gimme for Ryan, and it wasn’t as though Ryan didn’t try his best – he still got beaten, though.”
    …….
    Ryan was not beaten.
    On the contrary, Biden is the looser because he “fabricated his facts ”
    With all his antics, buffooneries, etc., Biden was still able to put his silver foot on his mouth at least twice by propagating falsehood during Libya and Catholic topics.
    Lacking any courage on accepting his and/or Obama’s administration guilt, Biden went to such low level that in order to save his and Obama’s skin he put the intelligence community under the bus.
    In the case of Catholic issues he was wrong by not telling the truth .

    In Biden’s jargon… what he did is called a “bunch of Malarkey” ….. even if he pretended that ” These are the facts ! followed by his annoying laughs and clownish faces ” ……………….

    All pretenders like those who pretend that they are taller than they are in reality, will pay for the difference.
    Consequently, Biden paid a lot because of his pretenses [i.e falsehoods]
    and lost the debate.

    Bottom line :
    Mr. Biden, the Vice President of the USA, was caught not telling the truth [ i.e. lying ] …… so he’s the looser of the debate .
    He should apologize to the American people because he did not tell the truth and of all his antics,etc. that do not conform with the solemnity of the VP office.

    1. Libya
    ==========
    Ex-CIA chief slams Biden – “Benghazi Gate”
    Coming to the defense of the nation’s intelligence community after Vice President Joe Biden blamed bad intel for the administration’s false explanation of what led to the killings of the U.S. ambassador to Libya, the former CIA director and second-ever Homeland Security Department secretary said the White House is to blame.

    Former CIA Director Michael Hayden and former Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff said the White House didn’t listen to the intelligence community leading up to the September 11 attack on the U.S. facility in Libya and inaction led to the deaths of U.S. officials in Benghazi. Both are advising the Romney campaign.

    In a statement, they said:

    “During the vice presidential debate, we were disappointed to see Vice President Biden blame the intelligence community for the inconsistent and shifting response of the Obama administration to the terrorist attacks in Benghazi. Given what has emerged publicly about the intelligence available before, during, and after the September 11 attack, it is clear that any failure was not on the part of the intelligence community, but on the part of White House decision-makers who should have listened to, and acted on, available intelligence. Blaming those who put their lives on the line is not the kind of leadership this country needs.

    2. Catholic issues
    ====================
    Catholic bishops rebuke Biden over contraception mandate claims
    The nation’s Roman Catholic bishops lashed out at Vice President Joe Biden on Friday, saying he was wrong in the way he described a healthcare mandate that would require contraceptive services for employees of some Catholic institutions.

    The statement from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops was the latest volley in a heated fight between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration over a mandate published early this year by the Department of Health and Human Services — a battle that the church has framed as a struggle for religious freedom. The administration has characterized it as being about women’s reproductive rights.

  • Brightmeadows

    Actually, Ryan said that President Romney would bring both “sides” together to make the cuts necessary to offset the 20% tax cut. But also it IS historic fact that tax cuts spur the economy, create jobs…. Even President Kennedy did exactly that when he became President. Obama and Biden are both economic ignorami and Biden IS a pathological liar, not unlike John Lovett’s Saturday Night Live character.

  • rdman_VietVet

    Which are you??… just another ignorant paid troll tool (or) a brainwashed Alinskyite with masochistic tendencies who gets his ‘nut’ by getting mentally and intellectually whupped???

  • Joe_Farnakle

    “Alinskyite”… Funny stuff. Do you know what the Tea Party organizers used for their grassroots organizing efforts? It was Alinsky’s handbook.

  • Dustoff

    No that would be the dem’s after 2007 & Clinton with his changes to Fred & Fran.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Guess what – the budget is first and foremost the responsibility of CONGRESS. Obama put NUMEROUS deficit-cutting proposals in front of Congress, but the conservative faction instead refused any balanced approach, propped up defense spending to include weapons systems that the Joint Chiefs of Staff say are wasteful and not needed, and refused to negotiate, compromise, or work bipartisanly on ANYTHING, shutting the whole process down completely.

  • Dustoff

    Put up or shut up.
    *************************

    Put up. Like you’re buddy O-dumber who has spennd more than any other Prez. While saying he’ll cut the debt in half.

    Please.

  • Altosackbuteer

    According to Dustoff, there was no signed / sealed / delivered Bush budget at all for 2009.
    ***
    But let’s say YOU’RE right. In that case, and since borrowing is a year-found process, it’s therefore fair to say, at least 1/4 of that borrowing was Øbama’s, and of course, all ever since.
    ***
    As for Øbama inheriting a mess — yes; that’s true. A mess whose seeds go back to the easy housing loan policies supported by Democrats like Barney Frank, but let’s not even go there.
    ***
    Øbama certainly DID inherit a mess he had little or nothing to do with.
    ***
    So then, KNOWING that, wasn’t it then HIS job to plan for Fiscal Year 2010, which began on October 1, 2009, so that the borrowing would get under control again?
    ***
    And to repeat, in 2009, did not Øbama himself say, he had 3 years to get it under control, or he’d be a 1-year President?
    ***
    Well, the 3 years are up and he DIDN’T get it under control, and in fact added gasoline to the fire with his reckless spending and borrowing, and not HIS note’s coming due. And the BEST he can now say is what aptly-named SLICK WILLIE said at the convention — the problem he inherited was SO huge that NOBODY could fix it in 4 years, so therefore, let’s give him 4 MORE YEARS, and THIS time, the NEXT time around, he WILL fix it.
    ***
    Sorry, pal — it brings to mind the famous Indian saying — fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    You are mistaken. Read up on your history.

  • rdman_VietVet

    Nice try, Subversive Tool. The Tea Party studied Alinsky tactics to effectively COUNTER Alinsky tactics. And they are doing a damn good job with their anti-Alinsky strategies and initiatives.

    Say adios, funny stuff!!

  • AgTrotter

    People like you provide ongoing evidence that liberalism is indeed a mental disorder. When the left gleefully applauds such boorish behavior, mental illness is the only possible explanation.

  • rdman_VietVet

    I read Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals”… you are indeed an abject IDIOT!!!

    Adios Idiot…

  • AgTrotter

    “Obama put NUMEROUS deficit-cutting proposals in front of Congress”

    Good grief, you are positively delusional.

  • Bryson Cookie

    BIDEN:
    BLATANTLY, INAPPROPRIATE, DISHONEST, EMPTY, NASTY

  • Rick_Kalifornication

    Good grief~ Delusional much???

    The Republican controlled house put forth several budget which were then shoved in a drawer by Harry Reid, the Senate Leader and never voted on. In fact, his Senate, until his leadership the past four years has YET to submit a budget!!!

    Obama on the other hand, submitted his own version of a budget to the Senate and it was rejected EVERY TIME, the last two times by a vote of 99-0!!! Even his own people wouldn’t vote on that crap.

  • Dustoff

    YEAH.. the dem Congress & Senate who gave O-dumber all the spending he wanted. You jerks haven’t done a budget in 3+ years. Wonder why!

  • Dustoff

    Enjoy fool

    Congress only passed 3 of the 15 appropriations bills in fy 2009. Bush
    had threatened to veto the others over the spending levels, so they did a
    continuing funding bill for them at 2008 levels that covered until
    March 2009. In February, Obama signed an omnibus bill
    covering the other 12 appropriations bills.

    By the way Steve, Was Bush spending to much. Yep. But we had American’s working and paying taxes. Not anymore.
    That Bud, falls on O-dumber.

  • eewell

    Joe Biden came out of the corner swinging and he knocked himself out.

  • Wxcynic

    Best line so far!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    You actually have to look at what the payments on the debt do to attribute the deficts to Obama. Half a trillion per year interest on the debt payments creates a major impact. Under Bush Jr, The National Debt doubled, under Reagan more than tripled. Bush Sr carried on the same agenda as Reagan with the same deficit results. Only Clinton in the past was able to make any headway, but those intersts paymetns still ate us alive. IF it weren’t for those interest payments on the debtt accrued by Reagan and Bush Sr, Clinton would havew had a balanced budget, which all here seem to want.
    Of ther current $ 16 Trillion Nationa Debt, fully $15 trillion is due to Republican Administrations and a Republican Congress..
    In 2009 adn 2010, what percentage of the budget was debt service amassed through REpublican admenistrations and legislation? Almost all of it.
    - The policies of the Bush administration, which included tax cuts during a time of war and a floundering economy, are clearly the primary source of the current deficits. The Obama administration policies that are beginning to give the economy a needed jumpstart—the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in particular—place a distant third in contributing to the 2009 and 2010 deficit numbers. The deficit picture for the years beyond still needs to be painted.
    The relative importance of the several factors contributing to the 2009 and 2010 deficits is seen through the impact in those years of various policies. The policies of President George W. Bush make up the largest share, followed by the current economic downturn, and then President Barack Obama’s policies.

  • AgTrotter

    “spitefully outing Valerie Plame”

    Good gawd, you incredible MORON! Cheney did nothing of the sort. Do yourself a favor and actually learn the facts. I do realize that liberals pretty much make up their own facts. But, you completely destroy your minimal credibility with this kind of blatant lie.

  • Bryson Cookie

    BIDEN:
    Blatantly Inappropriate, Dishonest, Empty, Nasty

  • AgTrotter

    Judge Bork was one of the greatest legal minds to ever grace our country. The fact that you can be so smarmy about him states volumes about your lack of class and honor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Reflections.

  • AgTrotter

    Awesome!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Ron Paul would have wasted him.
    Now it’s a toss up who won that debate.
    .

  • AgTrotter

    And yet, Barry Sotero talked for 4 minutes more than Romney. Does anyone on the left actually discuss reality?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    You should at least try to read it, it is worth the read.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Voting for a war and funding it, is separate issues.
    Even if I do not think the war is in America’s interest, I would not send out our men without providing them the very best equipment and support possible,
    even if I had to rob Peter to pay Paul (which by the way, is what we did and are doing today).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    A flat tax would be fine, not on income but assets, both foreign and domestic.
    We could reduce taxes to a few % /year.
    The cost of government should be equitable, those with more interest in US protected holdings need to pay their fair share. One with a $10M home should pay 10x more than those with only a $1M home. Same with stocks, those with $10M in stocks should pay 10X more than those with only $1m in stocks. And it shouldn’t matter if you own stocks in GE(US),or Nokio (Finland).
    Tax havens should not even exist. Make it so.

  • Altosackbuteer

    There are things to be said in favor of what you’ve just said.
    ***
    When Reagan was running those deficits — which, in comparison to Øbama’s, make Reagan look like a piker — many conservatives WERE aghast.
    ***
    And George Herbert Hoover Bush Sr. — actually, BOTH of them — kited Federal spending faster than any President since FDR. You’ll get a LOT of sympathy around here for attacking THEM for unconservative deficit spending and bloated new government programs.
    ***
    In Reagan’s defense, he was working with a dishonest Democratic Congress. In 1982, Reagan reluctantly agreed to the TEFRA, which raised taxes $1 for every $3 the Congress promised to cut, in order to pare down the deficit. Except the Tip O’Neil Congress welshed on its end of the deal, not only not cutting spending as promised, but actually raised spending by $1.15 for every $1 in new taxes collected. In other words, when Reagan negotiated the TEFRA, he thought, at least it will reduce the deficit, but because of the Congress’ dishonesty, the TEFRA actually RAISED the deficit.
    ***
    Still — Reagan DIDN’T HAVE TO SIGN IT INTO LAW. And if he thought O’Neil had hoodwinked him — and he actually said later that’s exactly what happened — then he shouldn’t have signed it into law. Because once he did, HE owned it.
    ***
    As for Bill Clinton, I actually give the aptly-named SLICK WILLIE a LOT more credit here than most of the people reading these words would.
    ***
    It is undeniable that under aptly-named SLICK WILLIE, the country grew its way out of the deficit.
    ***
    I don’t give aptly-named SLICK WILLIE a lot of credit for making it happen, but I DO give him credit for at least staying out of its way and LETTING it happen.
    ***
    Aptly-named SLICK WILLIE was the fortunate beneficiary of a number of things he had nothing to do with creating.
    ***
    He was the beneficiary of Ronald Reagan’s tax cut, which fueled a booming economy and hiked tax revenues.
    ***
    He was the beneficiary of a Peace Dividend he had nothing to do with creating. And he was President before the major expenses of the War on Terror came due.
    ***
    His one attempt to hike spending, his own health care program, crashed and died. And thereafter, because he was reined in by the Gingrich Republican Congress, there was a limit to what he could have done to raise spending even if he’d wanted to.
    ***
    But, having said all that — AT LEAST HE DIDN’T BLEEP UP A GOOD THING. And considering both Bushes and Øbama, I actually give him CREDIT for that.
    ***
    Your stat assigning $15 trillion out of $16 trillion in debt to Republicans is RIDICULOUS.
    ***
    And it shows your prejudice. You like Democrats.
    ***
    You should try to be more detached and disinterested and objective. It would assist your arguments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Remember George.H.W.Bush, and his “Read my lips, No new taxes”…
    then he followed that with a tax increase.
    Same old, Same old.
    It’s a pattern:”Lie to get in office”.
    The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.

  • JayC777

    There was never a need for it. Nor, for TARP. You see, I’m not some mindless lemming like you people on the left. For the sake of argument, just what did Bush do to create the need for the stimulus?
    Jay
    Bring it on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    He created $4.7 Trillion in new Debt, created a lot of jobs through his spend and borrow facade of an economic bonanza.
    Defense and Security contractors and what flows downhill with their spending created an over inflated housing market which bottomed out after the Federal money faucet got turned off.
    Yeah, take a couple $trillion$ each year and create hundreds of thousands of jobs, all paying 15% to the contractors and the rest being skimmed off the top by so-called investors, most not even here in the US. nor paying taxes.
    Its quitte a complex scam, adn Bush and his cromies parlayed it on the American People. How much did Bechtel and Haliburton make that year.? How much did they pay in taxes?

  • Dustoff

    Typical lib

  • Dustoff

    RP…………..
    LOL

  • Dustoff

    He foolishly followed the dem’s. He had NO back bone and look how the econ failed. Along with he chance of re-election.

  • Dustoff

    Sorry I must disagree.

  • Dustoff

    NO war has ever really been funded. Not even WWII The bonds offered little resolve to the gov spending. Have we ever funded Welfare?

    Nope.
    We had to steal from other programs.

  • Dustoff

    They already do Steve. Have any rich people living near you. I do.
    Their property taxes are much higher than mind.Yet receive the same service from the city & state.

  • Dustoff

    The Senate hasn’t passed a bill in over 3 years goof-off.
    Who controls the Senate… DEM’s

    Joe are you always this foolish?

  • Dustoff

    Clinton had a debt too Steve.

    Memory failing you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Other programs? All programs are funded through theft.Taxes are essentially theft. Let’s have an all volunteer tax system.
    Long term National Debt is theft from our children.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-OLeary/100000387073519 Steve O’Leary

    Yes, Property taxes, but does the Fed get taxes like that? No, the state/county/municipality.

    Federal tax xysatem needs overhaul.. not income, but all assets.
    State property tax could be the model, Federal tax should be based on all holdings… That is truly equitable. Everyone pays their share of what protection the US affords them..It makes no difference if it is in a state, or in stocks, or a company in the Cayman Island or a bank in Switzerland. BTW, The US should embargo any/all countries/etc. that do not provide full banking/.investment disclosure.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    That’s due to the failure of the Republicans to try and work with anyone in a bipartisan manner. All the GOP House does is ramrod one bill after another through, with a “my way or the highway” attitude. That doesn’t work.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Romney walked back and flipflopped virtually every single thing he said during the primaries, and everyone knows it. Now HE is a perfect example of “say anything to get elected”.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    It was cumulatively three minutes, but only because Romney kept throwing the schedule off which screwed Jim Lehrer’s questions up

  • Joe_Farnakle

    It’s well known that Cheney was the man behind the curtain pulling the strings on that one, and had the cowardice to let his underlings take the fall for it.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Let me take you back in a little visit via the Way Back machine…

    “Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution….”

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Obama has submitted a budget every year. Check out whitehouse(dot)gov/omb. They are all there, published and in full detail. The failing has been in Congress, where the Republican House has played the game of “my way or the highway” with ZERO interest in bipartisanship, negotiation, or even civil discussion. That is why their budgets have all failed – for lack of buy-in. Yes, I said failed. The GOP House has failed to write a budget that was actually workable, viable and which had a hope in hell of ever getting bipartisan passage. That is a tremendous failure on their part.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Laughable that anyone would ever think they could just put their extremist manifesto onto a piece of paper, call it a “budget” and send it over to the Senate without any consultation or negotiation whatsoever. But, that’s what the GOP-run House did. What they sent had no chance of passage. It was “my way or the highway” and the government has been stuck in status quo mode as a result. It is a MAJOR failing on the part of the GOP-run House.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    LOL! If you read it, then tell me what you know of Rules for Radicals and we’ll see who the idiot is.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    For one, letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire removes almost a trillion in structural deficit over the next several years.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Only the most unpatriotic, sleazy, anti-American scumbag would be using the death of American diplomatic personnel for political gain. Clearly you fit that bill. I have nothing more to say about that.

  • abc2xyz

    @Joe_Farnakle:disqus
    It seems that when you lose an argument you start using argumentum ad hominem . [ fyi ... in Biden's jargon this is name calling ]
    Your irrelevance and your fallacious logic is now well established.
    Good riddance to you Mr. Joe_Farnakle !
    Amen !
    ———-
    An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it.
    Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance

  • JayC777

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! ROTFLMFAO. You actually believe that????? Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! The housing bust is the fault of none other than Clinton and the democrats. He created the subprime mess and repealed Glass-Steagal. Bush actually tried to get it back under control in 2003 when all the democrats filibustered the bill that was put forth. I can cite the New York Times article about it if you’d like
    Jay
    Keep deluding yourself, pal.

  • JohnFeldman

    Can you imagine the sheer joy of Republican campaign officials? Any time they want to make a serious point in an ad, all they need to do is show Biden laughing. War deaths, unemployment, embassy murders, etc. –show real footage of Biden laughing at these things….
    ….come to think of it: Thanks! Joe.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Except, everyone would know it’s a lie. Biden wasn’t laughing about war, death, unemployment and the rest, Biden was laughing at Ryan for Ryan’s inability to articulate any kind of real plan for dealing with any of those things.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Oh, so @abc2xyz knows what the big words mean. Went to a dictionary to pull up a definition, to display erudition – but at the same time, displayed a complete fail with very odd and nonstandard punctuation and sentence structure. If it’s ad-hominems you wanted, you just got one.

  • AgTrotter

    You might be the only person on the planet that believes that Richard Armitage was a Cheney crony. Good grief, stop making an ass out of yourself.

  • AgTrotter

    Wow! Not only are you delusional, you’re also a clown. Please let the DNC know that you’re not doing a very good job.

  • AgTrotter

    You mean the Bush tax cuts that actually INCREASED tax revenues? Ouch, reality really can be a pelosi.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    You’ve demonstrated your inability to connect the dots. Armitage had no skin in the game but ended up a pawn. Scooter Libby was the go-between, he was Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, and he was the one who ultimately took the fall. And good God, man, surely you are not so foolish as to think that Scooter Libby of all people was the criminal mastermind at the center of all of it?

  • Joe_Farnakle

    I’m far from delusional, but given your three posts this morning you have demonstrated that you have the naivete and cluelessness of a child.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    LOL! “Increased revenue” yet he managed to double the deficit. Obviously it was a massive net negative, when all was said and done. It also ultimately proved to be a massive failure at job creation, given we were losing over 700,000 jobs a month his last months in office, with the tax cuts in full force.

  • AgTrotter

    To paraphrase one of your liberal icons, it’s the SPENDING stupid!

  • AgTrotter

    “surely you are not so foolish as to think that Scooter Libby of all people was the criminal mastermind at the center of all of it”

    That is kind of my whole point, you obtuse moron. Given that Libby was not the “mastermind”, one has to point to Armitage. And, it was well known that Cheney and Armitage didn’t care for each other. Are you so stupid to believe that Armitage was willing to be a shill for a guy he didn’t even like?

    If so, thanks for the additional evidence that you’re a delusional clown.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Your side of the aisle can only comprehend spending, and thinks that a 20% across the board funding cut will somehow magically pay for itself. Meanwhile, they want to slash PBS funding while massively increasing spending on things like the M1A1 Abrams tank (which the Joint Chiefs say we have enough of and don’t need any more), and evidently can’t tell the difference between mandatory spending and discretionary spending. You people are a joke.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Ridiculous. Armitage had no axe to grind with Wilson. But Cheney sure did.

  • rdman_VietVet

    Correction to my
    post of 10/13/12 11:31 AM

    I read Alinsky’s
    “Rules For Radicals”… you are indeed an avowed radical Marxist and abject
    IDIOT to understand what this magnificent country is all about.

    Professor LOL, if you wish to continue
    making an ass of yourself on a widely read public forum regarding my reading, study
    and “understanding” of who Alinsky really was, dispute the following:

    Alinsky’s
    tactics were based, not on Stalin’s revolutionary violence, but on the
    Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism,
    infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution,
    Gramsci’s transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the
    deliberate changes.

    Like Alinsky, Gorbachev
    followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalin’s wrath by
    suggesting that Lenin’s revolutionary plan wouldn’t work in the West. Instead
    the primary assault would
    be on Biblical absolutes
    and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new
    face of Communism could rise and flourish.

    By 1985, the influence of traditional Christian philosophy in the West
    was weak and negligible…. Gramsci’s master strategy was now feasible. Humanly
    speaking, it was no longer too tall an order to strip large majorities of men and women in the West
    of those last vestiges that remained to them of Christianity’s transcendent
    God.

    Hillary Clinton,
    Obama and the Cult of Alinsky… true
    revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism. They cut their hair, put on
    suits and infiltrate the
    system from within.

    Alinsky
    viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions
    and political parties…. Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she
    claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply
    following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.

    Obama is
    also an Alinskyite…. Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky
    method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago,
    working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project….
    Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions
    of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church
    himself. He became an instant churchgoer.

    Just
    a small example of who Alinsky and his America-hater cultists were and are!!

  • rdman_VietVet

    Biden blathered, “Mathematically Impossible” and smirked!!!

    Tell that to those who remember or read JFK’s “reduce taxes” speech in 1962 to the Economic Club of New York.

    Tell that to who lived through the Socialist Carter debacle and watched
    President Reagan cut taxes, broadening the base and providing economic certainty resulting in the economy to come roaring back “TWO years” after he took office.

    Another Alinskyite propagandist in the toilet for the most corrupt administration in U.S. history!!

  • mrmsjb12

    I can not decide is he A: dumb or is he B: stupid

  • Joe_Farnakle

    And, he was absolutely right. It IS mathematically impossible. The Romney-Ryan ticket has utterly failed to produce any detailed explanation of how it is possible.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    “Avowed Marxist” – you truly suffer from frothing right wing Tourette’s, spewing phrases which are utterly inappropriate and without real meaning. I happen to be an avowed CAPITALIST, and business owner. I happened to have served overseas during the Cold War, keeping our nation safe from the Soviets. So don’t give me your uninformed, ignorant and insulting crap about “Marxists”. And, you’ve demonstrated that you have NOT read “Rules for Radicals”, all you have demonstrated is that you are a cowardly plagiarist, capable of cutting and pasting without attribution.

  • JohnFeldman

    Both.

  • JohnFeldman

    These are laughing matters? People are out of work, losing their homes and businesses and our brave military is waging a war on terror and this goof [Biden] laughs and smirks during the debate like the village idiot.

    Even more amazing is the MSM reaction to Biden’s smirks and teeth blinding laughter. Check out the following tweets from the liberal MSM….

    The Washington Post: Biden really pushing it with his interruptions

    Phillip Klein: If Biden’s strategy was to come off like a complete jerk, he’s succeeding brilliantly.

    Daily Beast: Biden laughing while Martha talks about Iran getting the bomb is just weird.

    Piers Morgan: Joe, seriously, STOP SMIRKING. This is serious stuff. Be Vice Presidential.

    Since the liberals in the tank for Obama react like this, imagine how Independents are reacting?

  • Joe_Farnakle

    That’s what you get for relying on the rehashed and regurgitated Limbaughesque reversioning. He was NOT laughing about people being out of work or the war on terror, he was laughing at Ryan’s complete lack of a plan and complete inability to articulate things like how reducing taxes by 20% would not increase the deficit.

  • rdman_VietVet

    Hey, Professor HaHa (LOL)… I’ve read all your hate-America posts. You are not an “avowed Capitalist” Paul Ryan is a Capitalist. Mitt Romney is a Capitalist. President Reagan saved us from the Soviets (who you disrespectfully referred to as “Ron”) was a Capitalist. You’re about as far away from a Capitalist as Castro or Chavez!!

    It is typical and ironic that you were not able to rebut the “substance” of the white paper article that exposes who Alinsky really was and who his cultist followers are today. Nor did you rebut JFK’s 1962 speech or President Reagan’s policies (which parallel the Romney/Ryan economic strategies) that resulted in a roaring economic comeback in less than two years after taking office. Instead, when confronted with truth and logic, you do what all weasel Marxists do… spew your false ideology symbolism.

    If I was a Marxist and quoted from Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, would you be alleging that I am a cowardly plagiarist?? The white paper article that I posted is one of many Conservative white paper studies on the tactics utilized by Marxists/Communists.

    After serving my country in SE Asia including combat in Viet Nam and later, posts to Central America during the Banana Republic era, I can smell the stink of a Marxist/Commie from a mile away. You may think you are clever with your subversive tactics when in fact people like you are shallow, transparent bush-league amateurs.

    I’ve wasted enough of my time on a fool. Adios Loser Marxist… your destruction of our magnificent country is over!!!

  • BostonMary

    Nonsense.

    Mark Steyn
    criticized the way top administration officials referred to Ambassador Stevens as a “friend.” I think it’s extraordinary that President Obama and Hillary Clinton
    knew … that this ridiculous youtube
    video had nothing to do with the attack on the consulate. And they have spent the last four weeks lying to us.
    And this includes people who claim to be the ambassador’s Friend — everyone calls him ‘Chris’ in this
    administration — Chris, he is known to
    all, he is friend to all, Chris Stevens. Hillary
    Clinton calls him ‘Chris.’ Barack Obama
    calls him ‘Chris.’ “Hillary Clinton
    stood next to her friend Chris’ coffin and went on about this youtube video,
    even though she knew it had nothing to do with his murder.”

    This is an
    example of how shriveling and corrupting
    politics is — that in the end, her great
    friend Chris, his coffin, his body, assuming they’re not lying to us about the
    body being in there. She used his body
    as a prop to peddle a false narrative. If you support this Democrat party, you should
    be ashamed of its shriveled definition
    of politics, that it consumes and then spits out even those who you claim
    are your friends, like Chris Stevens. He’s a real person. Sean Smith is a real
    person. Tyrone Woods is a real person. Glen Doherty — these are real people, not just props in Obama’s attempt to swing 1,200 soccer moms in southern Ohio.”

  • Henry Ford

    Again, who are you to make that call? If you think that you need to chip in more to good ol’ Uncle Sugar, who can be counted on to waste your money, by all means write him a check. But leave me out of it.

    So, you think those making $500K or more should be on the hook for more? Guess what? Odumma wants to bleed more out of “millionaires” making $250K or more (that must mean “millionaires” in all 57 states, as the Idiot-in-Chief like to say). Last time I checked, a millionaire used to have to make at least $1M.

    Point is, not only is Odumma shaking down people at $250K, who are the small business owners who are going to create jobs for you and me, but also is raising taxes and cost of living on the rest of us. Odumbutt loves to “divide and conquer”. Since you don’t make $250K, raping the “rich” is OK with you.

    However, as you can see, the Rapist-in-Chief can’t figure out what number “rich” is and it keeps getting lower and lower until it’s going to hit YOU. The problem with Other People’s Money is that it eventually runs out, and that winds up biting YOU in the butt.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    I could just as easily sit here and say you are a fascist like Hitler, and it would have every bit as much merit and factuality as what you’ve posted here.

  • Joe_Farnakle

    Obama isn’t the one out there trying to use the death of Ambassador Stevens to score political points. The right wing is.

  • BostonMary

    Oh no? Denial is not a river in Egypt, Joe.