Jihad plotting persists in mosques

It is now official U.S. Government policy that Islam has nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism, and that therefore any examination of the stated motives and goals of Islamic jihad terrorists constitutes “Islamophobia” and must be shunned, as well as punished. But new revelations this week from a confessed jihad plotter indicate that this is exactly the opposite policy of what should have been adopted.

A young Muslim named Abdel Hameed Shehadeh recently tried to join the U.S. Army, not out of patriotism but as part of a plan to surprise American soldiers and murder them in the name of Islam and jihad. But he was caught, and began talking; if even some of the information he has given investigators is accurate, he has exposed a jihad network of impressive proportions that should end politically correct self-deception in law enforcement officials’ approach to the problem of jihad terrorism in the United States.

Shedaheh provided the FBI with enough information to fill a 22-page report that is so incriminating to him personally that his lawyers are now trying to suppress it. Those he named would also no doubt like to see his report suppressed. According to the New York Daily News, Shehadeh was “a fount of information.” Among the jihad plotters he named were “Brooklyn teachers of the Islamic orthodoxy Salafism” and Muslims who “delivered pro-jihadist speeches at mosques or ranted in online chat rooms.”

The Islamic advocacy establishment in the U.S. insists that all Muslims in this country happily accept Constitutional freedoms and pluralism, and that anyone who suggests otherwise is a venomous “Islamophobe.” If Shehadeh’s claims are true, however, Salafism, a form of hardline Islam that calls for the imposition of Islamic law in its fullness, including stonings, beheadings, amputations, and warfare against unbelievers, is being preached not just in Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Iran, but also right here in Brooklyn.

And while the politically correct media establishment demands that we accept that mosques in the U.S. are exactly equivalent to churches and synagogues, nothing more, nothing less, Shehadeh claims that pro-jihad sermons are being preached in mosques in the New York area. This isn’t really surprising, despite the fact that it goes against the iron dogma to which the government, the mainstream media and Islamic spokesmen in America all adhere. In 1998, Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a Sufi leader, visited 114 mosques in the United States. Then he gave testimony before a State Department Open Forum in January 1999, and asserted that 80% of American mosques taught the “extremist ideology.”

The Center for Religious Freedom’s 2005 study and the Mapping Sharia Project’s 2008 study confirmed his findings. Each independently showed that upwards of 80% of mosques in America were preaching hatred of Jews and Christians and the necessity ultimately to impose Islamic rule. Just recently, in the summer of 2011, came yet another study that showed that only 19 percent of mosques in the U.S. do not teach jihad violence and/or Islamic supremacism.

Shehadeh also named as jihad plotters, along with “a livery cab driver” and “a College of Staten Island student who attended a fund-raiser at Brooklyn College for a terrorist,” an “Ethiopian Muslim in the U.S. Army.” But of course it would be the height of “Islamophobia” to question Muslims in the U.S. military as to their loyalties. He even identified “a reputed member of the terror group Hamas who lives in Syracuse.” Shehadeh says that in 2008 he went to “a lecture at the Brooklyn Islamic Center in 2008 with someone named ‘Omar’ and a second man who peddled pro-jihad T-shirts. ‘Almost everything [Omar] and his friend . . . talked about was jihad.’”

All this testimony suggests that jihadist sentiments are far more widespread among Muslims in the United States than most analysts have been willing to acknowledge. Even conservative anti-jihadists tell comforting fictions about Islamic texts and teachings and insist on refraining from telling the whole truth about Islam in order to support moderate Muslims, who in reality are so few in number as to be almost wholly ineffective against the jihadists.

So will Shehadeh’s revelations, if proven correct, lead to the abandonment of the government’s politically correct fictions about Islam and jihad?

Don’t count on it.

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  • Rick Blaine

    I absolutely agree that literature is intrinsic in the education of a child. However, no parent postpones the truth about Santa and the same should be true for any myth or legend. Children need to read, but they need to be instructed that the bible is just another book of fiction. Take the good parts to heart, disregard the rest. I really think that teaching a child about the wrath of god and making them believe that they could go to some place like hell simply for impure thoughts, or any of the behaviors that religions object to, is no way to teach a child to rely and depend on their own strengths and resources. There is nothing in the bible that is original regarding moral values. Every society has rules and behaviors that are to the benefit of society.
    Don’t steal, don’t kill, don’t rape or plunder. The rules are easy, just do unto others and believe in yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/NYCRight Ron Lewenberg

    Stop lying. Dhimmitude is subjugation. It was worse than Jim Crow. And that was when Muslims weren’t murdering raping and forcing conversions.

  • Rick Blaine

    Why is it that when I point out criminal behaviors by self avowed Christians other Christians are quick to say, Well, they aren’t real Christians. Well just who the heck are the real Christians? The Baptists, the Methodists, Lutherans, the Catholics? Who? And who makes that decision? The guy that murders an abortion doctor is just as convinced in his heart that god is on his side as you are. The priest that rapes a child is just as certain as the rapist who repents in prison that god is with him. Are you that sure that you are even a Christian? And who decided that for you? You? I say, you are not a real Christian unless you believe in killing unruly children (Leviticus 20:9), unless you believe in witches (Exodus 22:18), and unless you believe in talking donkeys (Numbers 22). And teaching creationism is intellectual dishonesty and dishonesty as I recall goes against Christs teachings. So tell me, just who are the real Christians?

  • Rick Blaine

    In fact, the very principle of how vaccinations work is additional proof (as if we needed more) against the creationists that evolution happened and that natural selection is real: vaccinations work by tricking the body’s immune system into thinking that it has already had the disease for which the vaccination was given. Our immune system “adapts” to the invading pathogens and “evolves” to fight them, such that when it encounters a biologically similar pathogen (which itself may have evolved) it has in its armory the weapons needed to fight it. This is why many of us born in the 1950s and before may already have some immunity against the H1N1 flu because of its genetic similarity to earlier influenza viruses, and why many of those born after really should get vaccinated.

    And I highly doubt that your AKC registered dog was just a product of “the natural order of things.” The shaping of ‘dog breeds’ first came about thousands of years ago by humans selectively breeding dogs of a certain type together with other dogs of the same or similar type. This was done in an effort to produce dogs that would resemble their parents both mentally and physically, and the reason they were doing this was because back then, dogs were needed to do specific jobs, to work. As different kinds of dogs were better at certain types of work – different dog breeds began to materialize. That is called evolution.

  • Rick Blaine

    Seriously? Wow. I would like to hear how the evolution of different animal breeds has nothing to do with evolution. The term that you are grasping for is called animal husbandry. Techniques such as artificial insemination and embryo transfer are frequently used today, not only as methods to guarantee that females breed regularly but also to help improve herd genetics. Different breeds are the direct result of the application of evolutionary theory, Nimrod.

  • Altosackbuteer

    I agree.  Perhaps many are not overly willing or happy about it, but even if so, they hide it in their hearts.

  • Altosackbuteer

    It’s not at all the same thing.

    Go to this site: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com.  This site documents some 18,000+ instances of Moo-slum terror since 9/11.  There’s lots more which evade their attention.

    On any given day in the world, there are a half-dozen instances of Moo-slum inspired violence, resulting in around 15 deaths and 50 injuries.

    I DEFY you to show me ANY such documentation of Christian violence that’s remotely like the Moo-slum violence.

    You attempted to equate the two — with Christians as bad as Moo-slums.

    Sorry — that’s total horsebleep.

  • JayC777

    “Our immune system “adapts” to the invading pathogens and “evolves” to fight them”

    Nonsense. Evolves from what to what? Our immune system is still in tact, just reinforced to fight off the bacteria. Nothing has evolved. That’s like saying if I send the US Marines into Kuwait to fight off the Iraqis, the Kuwaities have evolved.

    ” As different kinds of dogs were better at certain types of work – different dog breeds began to materialize. That is called evolution.”

    Uh, yeah, macro-evolution and not micro-evolution. There is a vast difference. Macro-evolution and creation is not, in any way, shape, or form mutually exclusive. Now, when you can get a cat to produce a dog as offspring( scientifically proven impossible) give me a call.

    Jay
    And you call yourself educated and a critical thinker???? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

  • Altosackbuteer

    You persisted in a posting that Jesus never lived.  I can’t respond to that directly since Disqus timed us out, so I’ll respond here:

    I believe this is wrong.  Jesus definitely lived.  However, I fully agree that the NT embroidered all sorts of untrue things about him.

    Here’s what I hold is the REAL skinny: Jesus was a Jewish Pharisee.  He preached nothing but Judaism.  He did NOT intentionally die on the cross for the remission of our sins.  He DID indeed attempt to raise a holy rebellion against Rome, hoping to usher in the Messianic Age.  He failed, and he paid for that with crucifixion.

    He never set out to establish a new religion or break with Judaism.

    The NT APPEARS to differ sharply.  But — if you read it VERY CLOSELY, you see dozens of lacunae in it, where certain things contradict the main thread.  If you zero in on this, what you see is this: The Early Jerusalem “Church” was really the Early SYNAGOGUE of Jesus.

    They truly believed that Jesus rose from the dead — why, I don’t know.  The NT itself suggests that the physical state of Jesus was different from the pre-crucifixion Jesus, wraith-like, phantom-like in certain respects.

    But they believed Jesus rose — but they did NOT infer from that belief what modern Christians do.  They did NOT infer from that, that Jesus was divine or the Son of God.

    Nor did they depart from Judaism, not EVER.

    All the changes were due to Paul.  The NT is a Pauline polemic.  By the 22nd Chapter of Acts of the Apostles, the Jerusalem Church — uh, I mean SYNAGOGUE — was DEAD SET AGAINST PAUL.

    The apostles, those who knew Jesus in life, continued to worship as Jews — and were accepted as such.  Even Acts admits this.

    It’s not easy to separate the real Jesus from the Pauline fantasies — but it CAN be done.

  • Euskaldun

    Wrong on all counts!

     I am a Christian because I belong to the Church. And all of the things you brought up are from the Old Testament, and Christ ushered in the teachings found in the New Testament, the Gospel of Love and Peace, which are adamantly in opposition to the many Qur’anic commands to convert infidels by force, impress dhimmitude upon them if they refuse to become Muslims, or to fight and kill them if they refuse to live as dhimmis.

    You have a profound ignorance of both Christianity and Islam; you can remedy the latter by studying Robert Spencer’s books and writings, and the former by studying Christian doctrine.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Though Tammy actually has a point, insofar as the Ottoman Turks were concerned.

    After the Sephardi were expelled from Spain in 1492 (on the same tide, and on Tisha B’Av, on which COlumbus set sail for the New World), many of them found a home in the Ottoman Empire, and there received generally benign treatment.

    There is a charming story told about the last Sultan.

    The Young Turks had deposed him and sent him into exile.  So he was sitting, alone, at the train station in Constantinople, waiting for the Orient Express to come, to take him to Switzerland into exile.

    The stationmaster was a Jew and observed and recognized him, and immediately approached the ex-Sultan and asked if there were anything the Sultan needed or wanted.

    The ex-Sultan asked why the hospitality, and the stationmaster repliled, it was in thanks and gratitude for the centuries that the Ottoman Empire had provided a good home for the Sephardic refugees from Spain.

  • planeboy

    Oh and then there’s this from our dear leader http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/03/report-obama-agreed-to-release-high-ranking-taliban-leaders-from-gitmo-in-exchange-for-taliban-opening-office-in-qatar/ this guy has got to go…

  • Euskaldun

    Unfortunately we can attempt to reason with Rick until we are blue in our countenances; he is never going to admit that just POSSIBLY he could be in error. But such it is with fanatics, particularly on the left…

    Funny, it seems as if virtually all left wingers think Christianity (and Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism) are equally as threatening to liberty as Islam…so they buy into the nonsense that Christians have provoked the Muslims to commit acts of terrorism and have caused the problems in the Middle East…

  • Euskaldun

    Oh, but it is verboten to mention Islam and terrorism in the same sentence, since we all KNOW that Islam is truly a “religion of peace”, and we all KNOW that the Taliban are simply a disparate bunch, with the “moderate” ones amenable to reason and the furtherance of tolerance and brothrhood…

    What a bunch of “maroons” we have in our current Administration…

  • semperfipar

    There is Islam and there is the rest of the world. Islam is not a religion, it is a way of life that conflicts with everything else. There is no such thing as radical Islam. Terrorism and murder of the infidel is regular Islam. 

  • http://twitter.com/NYCRight Ron Lewenberg

    The Ottoman Turks were willing to accept Sephardi Jews so they could tax them.  And Jews in the Ottoman Sultinate (let’s put asside the Caliphate), suffered persecution at many times. In Syria and North Africa there were mass murders and pogroms in the 19th century.

  • AgTrotter

    Good grief, was a hysterical moron. Isn’t there an empty OWS tent somewhere to hang out in?

  • AgTrotter

    So, cross-breeding is now the application of evolutionary theory? Holy crap, you are a total fool.

    Just curious: as you have implicitly stated that you are a learned and brilliant man, what exactly is your educational background?

  • Tamglesca

    You are full of total crap. Or do you make it up as you go along. 17,000 people were murdered by the contras. No Muslim terror group comes close.

    You need to be honest and admit your blind bigotry and hatred based on racism. Admit you just hate brown people.

  • Stratosaurus

    I’m seriously considering a move to eastern Europe, preferably further south — maybe the Black Sea area.  Even Texas is gettin’ too crazy for me, but I know it’s because of all the libloon immigrants from Califruitsandnuts, Taxachusetts, and New Dork.  Speaking as an Irish-American, and all the daffiness that THAT implies, I gotta say, these white folks is CRAZY!

    I’ve gotten to the point where I might read their stuff, then flag it.  Most of it is offensive, if only based on history and logic.  I’m sure that the bastions of libturd lunacy that are media madness and others have hired hands (they’re not effective enough to be hired guns) who get paid on a per-response basis to come to HE or Fox News and spew their drivel, or use the talking points passed on from the outlets.

  • Rick Blaine

    I suppose that there could have been a guy named Jesus, I don’t know if that was common name back then or not, or if that is just a translation from the Aramaic. However, no writings or reports survive of any such person. Not a single prominent historian of the day took any notice. There is no evidence of any disciples, even Matthew, Mark, Luke and John weren’t written till well after Pauls death, and the gospels were demonstrably written by many authors, so in actuality all we have is hearsay evidence garnered from copies of manuscripts, copied from manuscripts, copied from one language to another, with each succeeding copy doctored to fit the beliefs of whatever particular monk was transcribing them, time after time after time for centuries. It’s like playing gossip.

    There is also the problem with Buddha who spoke the words of the Sermon on the Mount, word for word, with his twelve disciples, while feeding a multitude with some fish and bread, 600 years before the time of Jesus. Buddha’s mother was also a virgin. There too is Mithras, Herecles, Romulus, and hundreds of other gods all with the same resume. Like I said, there is nothing original in the bible. Joseph Campbell did a good dissection in his book The Power of Myth, fascinating reading. I would recommend it regarldess of your beliefs. It ties history together very neatly.

  • Tamglesca

    Tamil Tigers are not Muslims and are almost 100% Hindus. Your brain must have been mutating the truth. They have nothing whatever to do with Muslims and communists and until recently were the main users of suicide bombers.

    Your bigotted hatred of Muslims is obviously warping your twisted brain even further. I bet you don’t even have a passport and remain ignorant of the world like 90% of your countrymen.

  • Tamglesca

    Christians regularly go out with their bombers and murder millions of civilians. The also keep 1000 bases on foreign soil to intimidate the rest of the world. They also killed 1.6 million Iraqis by applying sanctions and for the half million children that died the US secretary of state said it was a price worrth paying.

    FEAR  is what was caused by the hype surrounding 9/11.

    VENGEANCE is what America attempted to get by invading Iraq and Afghanistan after some Saudis and Egyptians flew planes on 9/11

    HATRED is what tiny minded American conservatives have for Muslims and all brown people.

  • Tamglesca

    Yes Muslim fundamentalists are also creationists. They also doctor facts to fit their version of religion.

  • Tamglesca

    Robert Spencer is a malevolent moron. His is the real motivation for Anders Breivik. Funny how all you right wing morons have identical thoughts about Muslims and Liberals as Breivik. He also quotes Robert Sprncer 60 plus times in his manifesto.

    With his murders perhaps he was trying to be a one man Israel.

  • TobiasSmollett

    “Now as far as all the contradictions in the Bible, I can’t find them.”

     First, let me state that I am a devout Christian, and I find contradictions in the first two chapters of the Bible.  Genesis 1 and 2 give different accounts of creation.  A lot of pastors spend a lot of effort trying to reconcile those accounts, but that’s all interpretive gymnastics — all gymnasts have to land on the ground eventually.  If your faith depends on the supposed absence of contradictions of the Bible, I will pray for you. 

  • Stratosaurus

    The three Biblical references you cite have no more to do with Christianity than they do with the Theory of Relativity.  While a few precepts carry over from the Old Testament, Christianity in many ways refutes the vengeance- and genocide-prone writings of that book.  Using OT references (from the earliest books of the OT, no less) to enumerate the “violence inherent in Christianity” is misleading, at best, and ignorant at worst.

  • Niniane

    Latest is that Harry lived with mommy, who was going to be deported back to Germany as the Germans want her for all kinds of financial fraud, including skipping out on a bill for her breast augmentation, bad checks, etc.

    Mommy also told authorities that her son was insane. Nice family.

  • Tamglesca

    Being a Christian has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with having the Spirit of God. That is according to the New Testament. Of course you have rejected the New Testament and follow the teachings of the Rabbis who preach the “Traditions of the elders” that Jesus condemned.

  • Tamglesca

    You and that excuse for a Zionist ethnic cleanser hate facts. It has nothing to do with ego either. It is a matter of showing you what a bunch of arrogant killers Israel and USA really are. Now that is the majority world view.

  • Tamglesca

    You don’t use logic and are motivated by something quite different like intellectual vanity. Logic does not enter into it. Support for theft, muder and piracy is not logical.

  • Tamglesca

    Ha ha. You are joking. It is the USA and its fascist controllers that spend more money on the military than the rest of the world put together. It is the USA that has troops all around the world as an attempt at intimidation.

    Your religion is really self worship. That is why you all love your flag so much as it is an image representing  yourselves. You sacrifice millions around the world to satisfy your own craving for self importance. You are the EXCEPTIONAL arrogant killers and idiots.

  • Euskaldun

    Poor lil’ Tommy, wee lad:

    Muslims come in all races (Arabs are Caucasians, dude!), so the “racism” thing is just plain bogus!

    You are bonkers, mate!

    As I said, 260 million Infidels have been killed over the centuries, and in every Muslim country non-Muslims are being beaten and killed, and churches and other places of worship destroyed and vandalized.

    Open your peepers, dude!

  • Euskaldun

    Tommy, wee lad, methinks you are a Muslim! You betcha!

  • Euskaldun

    Quelle idiote!

  • Wade Meyer

    People new to Christianity or just put a check in the box  “which religion are  you?” for Christianity MIGHT think poorly of someone who criticizes our faith.  But mature people in my faith will know with confidence that you will ultimately discover who is right upon your own death.  Which comes to us all.  No acceleration is necessary; unlike Islam.  And unlike Islam Christians will not curse you.  But you may be mistaking the convictions of the Holy Spirit upon your own sad life as something forceful enough to feel that way.  But again it is not us but something greater than us.

    One thing is certain about all religions is that it proves two things: that Man is a religious animal and that there is something beyond the natural that is part of this world.  Even your religion of having no religion proves my point.
    In the meantime go fall on a knife.  No I’m just kidding!

  • http://twitter.com/NYCRight Ron Lewenberg

    Breivik is a lunatic. Using your “logic” all Muslims are accountable for Jihadis.

  • Wade Meyer

    re: modern Christians
    I am no expert in the atrocities committed over the centuries in the name of Christ. But I will say this that widespread bible teaching and widespread availability of the bible has helped the Christian faith over the centuries to mature away from justifying much evil.  Jesus did rebuke Peter when he took a sword and cut off the ear of the slave of the high priest and I believe he miraculously re–attached the guards ear. 

    So that was one early example of the teacher discouraging his disciple from violence.  For the love of Christ was intent upon dying.  Matthew 26 “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.
    53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
    54 How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?”
    On a practical level I know that if you were to come to my house and kill one of my family that I would believe they are now in Paradise. But I would probably attack you with a very large knife or one of my guns.

  • Stratosaurus

    Looks like ya really twisted tammy’s crank.  He didn’t like what I had t’say, either. 

  • http://twitter.com/NYCRight Ron Lewenberg

    There have been fewer than 12 Abortion doctors and staff killed in the last 40 years. Over 40 million people were murdered through abortion. I’ve never seen pro-life violence, but have deal with pro-abortion vandalism. The pro-life movement, mostly Christian, is almost completely non-violent. There have only been a handful of idiots pulliong a John Brown. You are either delusional or a liar.

  • jagscl

    It might take even more than that to litterally shut the Mosque, as much as I want to, because even if evidence sufficient to arrest and try a person or persons for a crime, the act of a individual cannot automatically be transferred to the attendees who had nothing to do with the crime.  Perhaps, assuming proper evidence is gathered consistent with the 4th, we should use the RICO statutes to go after the Mosque as a criminal enterprise.

  • Altosackbuteer

    The Christians will tell you there is ONE independent verification of the existence of Jesus.  It may be found in Flavius Josephus, either in his Antiquities or his On the Jewish War.

    It is a one-sentence affirmation of Pauline views of Jesus.

    It is inconceivable that it is anything but a latter-day insertion into Josephus’ text by a friendly Christian writer, since it sticks out like a sore thumb, totally divorced from the context of the passages which precede or follow it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Larry-Larkin/100001672389520 Larry Larkin

    Out of lock up and off your meds again, you moronic glesca commy?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Larry-Larkin/100001672389520 Larry Larkin

    Right, that’s why in the 1930s there were 13 million Jews in Europe and about 850,000 Jews in the muslim world?

  • Altosackbuteer

    Point taken.

    By the way, I cordially invite you to follow my translations of Mark Wischnitzer’s 1935 book Die Juden in der Welt (The Jews in the World).  Wischnitzer’s book was published, in 1935, IN BERLIN of all places, by a Jewish publishing company which disappeared after the following year.

    It gives a country-by-country history of all the Jews in the world, such as countries were organized in 1935.  For example, there is Czechslovakia and Yugoslavia, now defunct, and Manchukuo, also defunct.

    It is interesting, in that it gives a look at Jewish fortunes before there was either a Holocaust or Israel, which of course have greatly colored the present Jewish Weltanschauung — way of looking at the world.

    Go to thejewishpress.com, then use either my name or “The Jews in the World” or “Die Juden in der Welt” as the Keyword.

    Because of your remarks, I think, after the Jewish Press does my current segments (Australia, New Zealand, Argentina), I shall look at Turkey — though the Turkey that Wischnitzer examined had the same borders as the present-day Turkey, so he’d not be writing about doings in Ottoman Syria or North Africa in that section.

    Still, I already did the islands of the Mediterranean, some of which were under Ottoman control, and I have found no instance of Wischniter mentioning persecutions under Ottoman control so far, though he’s quite frank about what Christians did through the centuries.

    My general impression of the Ottomans is that they persecuted and subjugated Christians with far greater rigor than they ever did the Jews.  But — I certainly don’t know all there is to know about this.

  • Altosackbuteer

    Not being sure if I can find your actual posting to me, I shall respond here to what you said about moving to Eastern Europe.

    I actually regard where I am as CENTRAL Europe, and regard Poland as straddling the line between Central and Eastern Europe.

    In my view, Eastern Europe is a swell place to go to retire.  Costs are low, and you can live well if you have enough money, and it is very peaceful.  But it is no place at all where you should go if you are ambitious and want to work hard and get ahead.

  • Altosackbuteer

    So how then does one “get the spirit of God”?

    Can one CHOOSE to get the spirit of God?  Can one get it if one confesses to Jesus?

    Are you a Calvinist?  Being from Scotland, you may well be.

    In Calvinism, it is all about being predestined to be saved.  Either you have been or you have not been.  If you have been predestined to be saved, you canNOT undo it with evil deeds.  And if you’ve not been predestined to be saved, no amount nof conversion or repentance will avail you.

    With this remark of yours, you will have any number of Christians screaming at you saying, being a Christian is ALL ABOUT BELIEF.  One cannot be saved unless and until one confesses a BELIEF in Jesus.  Personally, I take no position on this one way or another since it’s no longer my fight.

    So — ARE you a predestinationalist?  Personally, I believe it leads to any number of logical paradoxes and absurdities — but you are full of those anyway.

    ARE you a predestinationalist?  If God happens to choose, for whatever reason, to give you His Spirit and not me, was it because of anything developed virtue or good work of yours, or is it entirely coincidental?

    And if I never received the spirit of God — despite being baptized and raised Roman Catholic — is that MY fault?  Or is it NOBODY’S fault, since that simply was what God decreed?

    But in this case, how could I then MEANINGFULLY CHOOSE to “reject the New Testament and follow the teachings of the Rabbis who preach the “Traditions of the elders” that Jesus condemned”?  For is this too not the path that was always predestined for me to follow?

    And if this is all true, then how can you or Arabs or ANYONE meaningfully blame Israel for all the sorts of crimes that you accuse it of?  For are they Jews and the Israelis and the Zionists too not predestined to be just what they are?  And if so, how can you meaningfully blame them, anymore than Aesop’s frog can blame the scorpion for stinging it to death as they crossed that river?

    Shakespeare wrote, “All the world’s a play, and all the persons on it merely players.”

  • Altosackbuteer

    And neither is LYING about those things, as you do, logical.  Or moral or decent, for that matter.

  • Altosackbuteer

    I do not count the New Testament as the Bible.  And Revelations is insane gibberish which means nothing, because it means whatever any crazy interpreter wants it to mean.  Just ask David Koresh about that.

    As for Exekiel, I looked that up in my trusty KJV.  The context is, the prophet is adminishing the King of Tyre for various wrong-doings.  The Garden of Eden is mentioned.  But there is NO REFERENCE AT ALL to any primordial, pre-Creation battle in Heaven.

    The reference to “the holy mountain of God” is a reference to Mt. Sinai.
     

  • DanB_Tiffin

    There goes Tom, the paranoid neurotic, claiming to speak for the whole world, one more time!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lee-Poteet/564594813 Lee Poteet

    I have heard it and it has been widely reported. According to Romney Islam is not a necessarily violent religion. But those of us who know about the Mountain Meadow Massacre and the connections between Mormonism and Islam would expect that of him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lee-Poteet/564594813 Lee Poteet

    And which religion in the last century was responsible for the death of more than a hundred million people. Was it Christianity? No. It was Atheism. But without Christianity there would be no modern science because it was a Christian on the basis of verses in the psalms who formulated the scientific method which I am sure you did not know.

  • nood2

    Rick I agree with you about one side wanting to kill the other–I am islamaware and call for a halt to muslim immigration to the West–I accuse islam of supremacy hate and hostility–If we show muslims the same (supremacy hate and hostility) then we ard no better than they are–I don’t know the solution but we have to recognize islam’s growing threat to the West and the first step is to stop their physical numbers immigrating here

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002214955319 Robert Latta

    Obama and the Left refuse to acknowledge the obvious connection between Islam and Islamic terrorists; they are in a serious state of denial. The fact is that the majority of Islamic terrorists are devout, fundamentalist Muslims who are killing in the name of their religion. Muslims around the world use their mosques to plot their Jihads. Major Hasan is a devout Muslim who betrayed his country when he attacked the USA in the name of Allah during the Fort Hood massacre.

    Of course, not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are devout Muslims who are killing in the name of Allah. To defeat Islamic Jihad, the first step is to stop all Muslim immigration into the West.

  • H. Johnson

    As best I can tell there is every reason to believe that all devout practitioners of the cult of Islam are potentially dangerous. That said, I also have reason to believe that devout practitioners of most religions are potentially dangerous. When men and women believe that the priest, minister, mullah, rabbi, etc. at their local place of worship (or on the television or radio for that matter) speaks for their chosen deity there is the potential for manipulation. I should not have to cite examples…anyone who has grade school knowledge of history should be able to understand this. The problem is not necessarily the “religion” or the selected “deity”, the problem is that “men” have always manipulated both to suit their needs. The cult of Islam as a “religious” belief system and a political/legal system with “jihad” at it’s core is especially dangerous. While most religions might take a position that if you don’t believe you might, go to Hell or otherwise not dwell with the deity in the chosen hereafter, you don’t have to read much of Islamic “religious” text to figure out that everyone who isn’t one of them must be either converted or killed.