Foreign Affairs

Where the Jobs Are

PARIS—Walking around the world’s largest air show in Paris, France, I’ve discovered that there is no economic crisis if one is willing to look hard enough to escape it.  The Paris Air Show should be dubbed “The World Capitalism Festival,” because what I witnessed here was unfettered capitalism and free-market competition at its finest.  I was so deeply moved that I nearly burst into tears in front of an Aster 30 missile, in all its phallic excellence.
 
Here, there’s no need for any politician to waterboard companies with the green Kool-Aid.  The hottest item at this year’s air show is Airbus’ A320 NEO, a “green” plane that netted a record 730 orders for a total of $72.2 billion.  If America’s Boeing hopes to compete and move beyond its $22 billion in orders, it’ll have to catch up and produce something similar.  The NEO’s big attraction is that it’s 15% more fuel-efficient than a classic A320.  With fuel costs representing one-third of airline expenses, no government official has to legislate this plane into existence.
 
From free-market success also comes employment explosion.  Among the 2,100 exhibitors, many with whom I was able to speak, all said they were hiring.  Specifically, they’re in desperate need of workers with technical skills, engineers, builders, producers—and they couldn’t find enough people to fill these positions.  Many were recruiting on-site at the show.
 
These are highly skilled jobs you can’t fake.  The negative consequences of faking one’s abilities in manufacturing a plane or defense system should be kind of obvious.  It’s therefore highly unlikely that jobs in this field will be snapped up by some hombre fresh off of jumping the southern border.  They’re mostly globalization-proof.

So where are all our workers in this field?  This is the West’s top-tier manufacturing base, in which democracies are outcompeting oppressive regimes such as China and Russia.  Malaysia’s Air Asia, for example, bought $18.2 billion worth of Airbuses, not a Chinese or Russian brand.  This is the playing field on which we are beating our ideological enemy.
 
The fact that companies can’t fill these jobs is suggestive of a serious systemic problem in Western society: economic deindustrialization.  According to the American Prospect, manufacturing represented only 11.5% of America’s economic output in 2008, compared with 28% in 1959.  Meanwhile, our young people have never been better educated.  I’d suggest that’s actually a big part of the problem.  Rather than going to university and college to learn engineering, math and applicable scientific skills, many Westerners are encouraged by their parents to strive for law school, business school, or some Ivy League flake-o liberal arts degree.  The end result is that when kids aren’t being educated way beyond their intelligence, then they’re being educated on the most useless topics imaginable.
 
 
One might blame this phenomenon on the feminization of society in general.  Why aren’t most men going into engineering and manufacturing anymore or being encouraged to do so?  As a woman who graduated from a university with a degree in hard sciences, even I briefly considered a career in engineering—until I realized that I could never spend all day, every day, crunching numbers.  But I’m a woman, not to mention a heterosexual one.  I don’t even do oil changes or follow baseball statistics.  And, statistically speaking, as a woman, my left inferior parietal lobe—the brain’s math center where Albert Einstein was abnormally well-endowed—is markedly smaller than a man’s.  Unless I’m some kind of mutant, I can’t escape that biological reality.
 
 
Still, I grew up playing with dump trucks rather than dolls.  If a Barbie doll ever crossed my path, it just ended up cargo for the back of my dump truck, along with any of her accessories.  I can only conclude that my biological brain structure ultimately overrode my environment and upbringing, despite my parents’ best efforts.  I excelled at math, physics and calculus, but didn’t enjoy it enough to make a career out of it.  Granted, I still love studying airplanes and military weaponry—but only in their greater strategic context.  I’d lose my mind if I had to immerse myself in the intricacies of building them.  Not to say that there aren’t women who are different from me, and who have a genuine affinity for these careers—and perhaps that difference is ultimately biological.
 
So I can logically, albeit perhaps somewhat politically incorrectly, answer the question of why I’m personally not cut out for the manufacturing industry.  But the fact that men who are fully equipped for such things aren’t gravitating to this wide-open job market is baffling and problematic.  They can’t all have tiny left inferior parietal lobes!
 
Because so many parents seem to be encouraging their sons to enter management positions—and laughingly expecting them to land in the executive suite of a major corporation right after their MBA—perhaps it would be a good strategy for these high-tech manufacturing companies to attract skilled workers by offering them a meritocratic career advancement path to management up front.
 
If America and the West have any hope for rebuilding our manufacturing base and crushing China someday while not letting go of our values, these are the kinds of questions we need to openly address.

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  • http://twitter.com/thepartyofno Party of No

    We here in America DON’T CARE about what happens over there in SOCIALIST FRANCE.  The French are a weak and perverted people.  I’m tired of reading this type on filth of Human Events.  Why in the world do they even employ a Canadian who lives in France?

  • SrCodeMonkey

    Come on – ideas can stand or fall on their own, regardless of who expresses them.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Rachel -

    You said:-

    QUOTE
    The Paris Air Show should be dubbed “The World Capitalism Festival,” because what I witnessed here was unfettered capitalism and free-market competition at its finest.

    UNQUOTE

    Oh really?

    Lots of US government backing is directed towards the military aerospace sector that brings earnings visibility and long-term stability to the industry as a whole, thus encouraging further investment.  In the case of European manufacturers such as EADS, the government even owns a minority shareholding.  In the UK, defence spending is one of our few remaining manufacturing success stories because it is practically unique in being backed by the state, e.g. the Export Credits Guarantee Department.

    So, in fact, the borders between private sector and the state are blurred in this case.

    Another point.  Isn’t a bit odd for you, a hard sciences graduate who excelled at maths, to still be arguing, in the second decade of the 21st century, that women’s brains are sub-par?  What about the many women who excel in careers that require a high degree of numeracy?

    Perhaps the reason that graduates are attracted into mathematically-based non-science careers such as finance is that the financial rewards are greater?  In other words, the “free market” is distorting the picture at the expense of manufacturing.  Sounds like a case for MORE market intervention and LESS “unfettered capitalism”?

    Actually I agree that on-the-job apprenticeships are more suitable, for many individuals, than a college / university generalist academic course.  The Germans in particular are fantastic in this respect.  However, I do wonder whether the USA and UK, with our myopic focus on short-term profitability and “the bottom-line”, have lost the plot somewhere….. 

  • SrCodeMonkey

    Lately I’ve been noticing something.

    Women here on HE and elsewhere have been hinting at – indirectly, obliquely, tentatively, between the lines, and sometimes not even consciously (as women will do) – the sentiment that they wish men would start being men again. This takes a certain amount of bravery, given the anti-feminine feminist messages that women have been taught for the last 40+ years.

    I see this as a good thing.

    So Rachel – you go girl!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G2UEYGUHIIITBTQV3J2CWFUKQU Susan

    ditto srcodemonkey, our males in the US have been sissified. too many women raising children without fathers, lots of boyfriends but no fathers. i would say around 35% of my daughters graduating class were pregnant during graduation or delivered right after graduating. all on welfare and no fathers around. the fathers are kids themselves, so no child support, plus there are no jobs to speak of in the area to work. no win situation.

    i live in a blue collar area where the only parental support these kids seem to get is at the football stadiums and sports events. since there are not jobs here, they all want to become school teachers, but they can’t do that because of tenure. so mcdonalds here they come!

    learning science or engineers anyone? good luck in this part of the country and yes i do live in a blue state even though i’m from the beautiful south.ugh! not for long.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Those also require engineering skllls…and American schools aren’t turning out enough of those majors.  That may be where the problem is. Those fields take a while before you earn your riches (the sciences, that is); I’m an example of someone in the sciences (but in biology) in that position.

  • rebelyell4

    Well, uh. Speaking as carefully as I can. There are few real men left. With the placement of male behavior as being stupid and useless and whatever feminists call it, we have received a result. When you pplace the male into a second class citizen you get a couple of unwanted results. One is fairly simple. There are always males willing to fight this trend. In this modern era there is but one direct, clear choice for those males who see the writing on the wall and want absolutely nothing to do with it.

    The religion of Islam is a male dominated religion that subjugates the female. To many males across the world more than in the US, there is the viewpoint that its simply easier to change religions and gain a group of fellow males that place everything back into the more traditional role. From this, eventually male leadership will once again step forward and certain societies will have success as others did before the female became the dominant factor.

    Those of us who are not into that see the whole process as undermining al of humanity by raising the weaker and the less capable, this includes most equality issues, including forced integration and hiring, to the point of being MORE acceptable than males who would be leaders and innnovators. Many important males are simply shoved away and actually discriminated against.

    Without the part of the male phychy that always searches and diverts itself into what seems like useless endeavors, you will lose the inventiveness and exploratory nature of the male of the species. You ladies and goverment forces have done very well to destroy this part of modern society. Males who have no outlet for this just sit back and do little at all.

     

  • Pitchfork_Rebellion

    Rachel – where to begin?!  What we have today is the product of decades of envy and redistributionism.  We’ve spent so long taking from the haves to give to the have nots, and created vast new regulations within new bureaucracies which have degraded incentives for individuals and therefore degraded the initiative of individuals.  Don’t forget we decimated our manufacturing industry and our illegal immigrant supported construction industry has collapsed, so men can’t just walk out their doors & get job in a factory down the street or with a construction company down the street.  BUT there still are oil company jobs in Texas and the Dakotas.   

  • SWCDAD

    Over the past 40 years we have exported or eliminated a huge amount of jobs that males tend to excel at.  Virtually all new jobs created in the past 4 decades seem to have passed the “gender neutral” test.  If it’s dirty get rid of it, if men excel at it get rid of it, and needless to say, if feminists don’t understand the complexities of it, get rid of it.  Now, the men that should be building planes, building heavy equipment, refining steel and building cars are the guys you call to mow your grass and trim your trees.  The evil partnership of enviro whackos and feminists have brought us to where we are now. 

    The liberals in this country traded in manufacturing jobs for casinos and strip clubs.

  • dginga

    Alexander, I have to agree with you that I was surprised, and somewhat dismayed, that Rachel characterized women as somehow having sub-par brains.  Statistically, American public-school-educated children are less adept at math and science than children from other countries, especially Asian countries.  I would suggest that does not mean the female children have sub-par brains, but that our public education system is sub-par.  

    My mother was a research chemist, back in a time when women didn’t even go to college.  I have female cousins and nieces who are engineers – granted, not aeronautical engineers, but chemical and mechanical engineers.  Take a look at a school like Georgia Tech in my hometown, and you’ll see a lot of females who don’t have “sub-par brains.”

    Perhaps more American students are not pursuing aeronautical engineering because the companies like Boeing aren’t making it known that there are opportunities.  If they are heavily recruiting, then maybe they need to do it on college campuses, funding scholarships, recruiting students good in math and science from high schools to be trained and work on the line with a reward of a college education in the future.

    As for her comments about American students getting way too many useless liberal arts degrees, I am in complete agreement.  Maybe this is why some 40% of young men aged 21 – 30 still live at home with their mommies and daddies because they can’t get good jobs.

  • KayK2

    People who wish to get an education in skills type jobs are seen as embracing an ”alternative education” by our culture, in other words they’re not as smart and talented as other kids. These jobs also require one to do real work, something the elites sneer at.  Men and women who wish to go into these fields need to ignore the social stigma our society has placed on them and if they can do that, they’ll find job opportunities and financial security for life. 

    Anyone had a plumber come to their house lately?  Look down your nose at them if you want, they’re crying all the way to the bank. 

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Thanks dginga -

    I suppose we have to bear in mind that Rachel Marsden is required to be “controversial” in order to drum up internet traffic and “buzz”.  Hence her provocative and demonstrably unrealistic assessment of female brainpower!

    Regarding public school quality, I agree that more needs to be done.  But beating up teachers and public-sector labor unions – lamentable and self-interested though they sometimes are – can only be part of the solution.  Parents, for example, should maybe be taking a bigger role instead of dumping so much responsibility onto the schools.  Plus, maybe the government needs to pursue more “family-friendly” policies, e.g. some parents have to hold down more than one job in order to make ends meet.  George W Bush said at a rally, with a note of pride, that it was “typically American” that a female constituent should be holding down three jobs in order to survive; in which case I say, you try it for a year or two, Geordie my lad, and see how you like it!

    On the role of Boeing etc, I agree that they could maybe do more to publicise their activities.  On the other hand, one could argue that students should be more proactive in seeking such vacancies.

    Maybe there’s also a “class” dimension?  For example, middle-class parents have better connections and know how to play the system better than the working-class parents and their offspring, plus they have more money to spend on education in what appears to be an increasingly-commercialised system.  In which case, talk of “meritocracy” is spurious because there is no “level playing-field”, just another self-reinforcing elite. 

    Regarding stay-at-home kids – we see that phenomenon in Britain too but here it’s driven more by financial pressures – paying off student debts and the prohibitively expensive cost of buying one’s first home.  Even renting is expensive nowadays.

    Put it this way: I am glad I came through the education system in the 1980s and got onto the property-owning ladder before the current “market-led” reforms became a sad reality!

    Regards,

    Alex

  • Pitchfork_Rebellion

    Don’t forget that the jobs that we’ve lost overseas have been replaced by endless service jobs for high school dropouts and illegal immigrants in strip malls & restaurants & through the construction of strip malls, restaurants, subdivisions, etc. 

  • another_engineer

    I have to take issue with this line:

     ” Specifically, they’re in desperate need of workers with technical
    skills, engineers, builders, producers—and they couldn’t find enough
    people to fill these positions.  Many were recruiting on-site at the
    show.”

    As a master’s degreed Electrical Engineer with 20 years experience I can tell you with no uncertainty the jobs are NOT out there.  And any company that may be looking to hire typically will go after H1B’s cause they’re easier to cut loose (no unemployment etc.) when the bean counters figure they need a head trimming.

    Where I work (as a contractor) the head count for H1B’s is roughly 40% of the engineering force.   And I personally know of at least 10 engineers looking for work.

    The myth of the US student shying away from technical fields is nonsense,  those that do shy away probably do so because they see the dismal prospects for them when they finish their education.

  • another_engineer

     Nonsense, the schools are churning out engineers, there are no jobs. Most engineering jobs in the last 20 years have gone to India, or to H1B’s.

  • DanB_Tiffin

    There are many known physical differences in men’s and woman’s brains and it has been known for years. Does that hurt your little feelings? This difference does not make one sex “sub-par” (your words, no one else’s) just different.

    Rachel clearly said “statistically speaking”. Do you understand that part of what she said?

    Once again you have created a straw man fallacy of logic to speak against, not what Rachel or anyone else actually said or meant. Straw Man: your obvious specialty!

    Statistically speaking, men do tend to have better spatial skills, and math skills for one thing. Look it up! I do not know if this is part of the left inferior parietal lobe structure or not. I do not really care. Women are better in other mental areas than are men. Again, I am talking on the average, not about individual cases. Difference in certain specific areas does not mean superior or inferior for the brain overall, to me.

    But the silly liberals are terrified of this prospect because to them, the difference means one must side be inferior, hence a VICTIM “sub-par” and they must be rescued at all costs. Deny it all! Jump in quickly with the emotional based response. Do not research at all, harp on the victimhood, etc. all you want.

  • another_engineer

     What you don’t understand is what is happening in europe is happening here.  Europe was the first area for the massive outsourcing and massive “migration” to take place.  My prior comments were in regards to what is going on in the US, but it happened first in Europe. 

  • Pipole Ina

    Canada:
    -Conservative majority government
    -Best run capitalist system in the world right now

    France:
    -Conservative (Sarkozy) majority government
    -25% of French vote FAR-RIGHT

    USA:
    -Socialist president
    -Majority of Americans voted SOCIALIST

    So by your own reasoning here pal, you’re the Commie. Have a nice day!

  • Pipole Ina

    Bingo. Europe is always the frontline for anything insane headed our way lol

  • DMTyler

    Airbus has displayed market agility and adaptability with the sales of $72.2B when compared
     
     with Boeing’s $22B.  Is Airbus more sensitive to international market demands than Boeing?
     
     Is Boeing management complacent because of America’s new corporate culture of bailouts
     
    and outsourcing or is it not as free as Airbus or other concerns by reason of being worn down
     
    with union demands and dictatorial intervention by the NLRB?  How about military contracts
     
    or nationalization?  Is Airbus free from government ownership or Value Added Tax 
     
    reimbursements amounting to protectionist French government policies?
     
     
    America needs to reassess its “free” trade policies and implement fair tariffs which was our
     
     traditional republican policy which propelled us into industrial, economic and military
     
     greatness.  We need to end union tyranny and government intervention over education and
     
    industry through courageous resistance and political certitude as Governors Scott Walker,

    Chris Christie, Rick Scott and others have demonstrated.
     
     
    I appreciate Rachel’s perspective from France and I don’t have a knee-jerk anti-French
     
    reaction which is an all to common weak reaction by Americans who accuse the French of
     
    having a monopoly on weakness.  The French military kicks some serious butt when it wants
     
     to not unlike some savate players .  Rachel had some pictures posted of my home town,
     
    Miami Beach, which skews my disinterest.
     
     
    Pray for our troops.
     
     

  • RenegadeScholar

    And, statistically speaking, as a woman, my left inferior parietal lobe—the brain’s math center —is markedly smaller than a man’s.  Unless I’m some kind of mutant, I can’t escape that biological reality.

    Only among Conservatives can true science be discussed without some leftists wacko claiming “sexism” or being offended in some other way.

    It’s true. There are substantial male-female brain differences. The anti-science left won’t allow it to be discussed, though. Males (statistically speaking) excel at some areas, and females (statistically speaking) excel at others.

  • RenegadeScholar

    the schools are churning out engineers

    But our primary schools suck.

    I work with a lot of engineers. Many H1B visa holders are here because we can’t find natives as skilled. When we do, we hire them.

  • RenegadeScholar

    Parents, for example, should maybe be taking a bigger role instead of dumping so much responsibility onto the schools

    It’s become a convenient leftists union excuse to shift blame to the parents. Yes–parents should be more involved. But the leftist propaganda machine has been so active in this country–along with the expansion of government–that parents are now nearly powerless to DO anything at schools. Teachers are strangers, kids are numbers (and units that bring in funds), and school councils are all but unaccountable. Schools NEVER take the blame for doing the wrong things or teaching the wrong way. They simply say that they “need more money” and continue to do the same. Disgusting.

    Parents have been brainwashed into believing that public schools are the “right” way to educate kids, when, in fact, public schools do almost everything wrong!

    Homeschooling is the answer.

    I am glad I came through the education system in the 1980s and got onto
    the property-owning ladder before the current “market-led” reforms
    became a sad reality!

    There have been NO “market led reforms.” Only discussion of them. The government continues to attempt to monopolize the education of our kids.

    Think about it: the government FORCES kids to go to school and then DECIDES what they will learn. Can you say “conflict of interest?” Of course kids will grow up thinking that public school and Big Government is the solution.

    Like you do.

  • Niniane

    Wow! You really are a socialist! Congress controlling employment practices? Unfortunately, private business does not need any more regulation. And since we are a free country, Boeing can move business out of the country if it wishes, and from what you are touting, they would be subjected to less freedom in Canada.

    Dumbing down of American worker income? Income levels should be part of the free market supply and demand, not the power of unions. If you pay your widget worker $15 an hour, but there is no demand for widgets at current production prices plus profit: a) the company will go bankrupt or outsource their production and all workers in this country will lose their jobs, or b) workers will take a small pay cut to keep feeding their families. That is not dumbing down. It is facing market realities.

    Short-term shareholder value means the investor has purchased the shares from the company’s initial public offering and owns a piece of the business. They want the business to succeed. That is quite different from what happens in the exchange markets when investors sell their interest to another party, which also wants the company to succeed. You must realize that the company gets no benefit in cash after the IPO issue. From that point on, it is out of the company’s direct hands what happens with the purchase and sale of their stock. If the company is successful, they can go out and repurchase that stock, driving the price a bit higher just by the limited supply of the stock. The stock price will remain high only if the company can confirm that it is a successful venture.

    What labor costs Boeing’s competitors have is not the issue. The issue for Boeing is being able to make corporate decisions without being told by the unions, National Labor Relations Board and your dream of a central planning committee telling them what to do and where to do it.

  • mariandavid

    Ah yes the standard response of a blogger for big business; one who thinks that what is best for an international corporation is best for America. Only about 30 years partially out of date and about 15 totally out of date when the US lifted all limits on investment overseas. And what’s this socialist crap – your standard ineffectual response to reason – or just ignorance, since today most successful big business is in union countries (Germany and France) or Communist and Socialist ones.

    You might note (but obviously happily ignored) that the article was accurately pointing out that the great threat to America was the lack (and dwindling) access of its citizens to high-paying technical jobs.

    But you obviously care nothing for that but instead for the good of stockholders (most of whom are European and Chinese) and for the benefit of the company, regardless of whether those policies are good for America, its citizens and its workers.

    Keep thinking and talking that way – you are making the Communists in China and the Socialists in Europe and India very happy. Not so good for the American engineer though.

  • DMTyler

    Your tone is rather professorial but after reading what you are supposedly responding to you come off sounding like a jackass with a bone to pick.   You did not  even read my or Niniane’s comments with comprehension.  It must be impossible for you to make a cogent argument because you haven’t made one yet.  I suggest economics 101.  

     First of all you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth.  Is it happy hour?

    Second, American jobs are going overseas because of the practice of absolute advantage which is setting up shop overseas because of cheaper labor abroad and unions here artificially driving up labor costs.

    Regarding your point about stockholders being Chinese or European, it is irrelevant. The corporation exists to make a profit. The only reason there is a sense of nationalism in Chinese or European corporations is that those countries have outright or de facto protectionist policies through reimbursement of VAT taxes to the overseas corporation or government enforced artificial currency devaluation.

    Our high paying industrial and manufacturing professionals would have more jobs available if the US government bailed no company out and eliminated the leverage of foreign protectionist policies by instituting tariffs especially to China but on goods coming from wherever subsidized VATs and other manipulative schemes are implemented.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JKYECDK63I2B3CFZHKW2VRAAA Richard

    Well, she doesn’t excell in keeping up with events here.  Ie:  Boeing can’t build or use a plant in SC because it is a “Right To Work” state.  Obama is making sure it’s USAF tankers are built (assembled) by Union workers.

  • Niniane

    I take it you have never started, owned and run a private business. I suppose your work life has been living off government dole rather than striving to achieve and feeling proud of your accomplishments. It takes drive without a government safety net if you fail, it takes chutzpah to see if you can outwit your competitors with innovation without depending on government largesse to support you and your union workers if your little store can’t sell a thing or pay the rent and power bill. And where do you think the government funding comes from? In this country it is taxes paid by those still employed, not printing more money as the Canadian dollar is worth more than ours, but we have a lot larger population than Canada.

    Sure there are plenty of job-killing rules and regulations which have been dumped on this country by various administrations which have put businesses off kilter. But the American spirit has always been to solve problems with solutions, instead of government creating solutions in search of problems when none have existed before.

  • DMTyler

    See my reply below or above.

  • mariandavid

    I just despise people who throw around words like socialism as if it is an argument. And those who think that that the good of American corporations is more important than the jobs of American citizens. And you seriously think that US jobs go to Canada and Europe and New Zealand and Australia and Germany and even parts of India because “of unions in America”?

    And I do very much think it matters who shareholders are – because in the end they determine company policy. And it already does of course, with US companies refusing to sell to Taiwan and bowing before Communist dictats in China. But that I suppose is OK for you.

    You do make a fair point on tariffs – but of course the US is just as prone to abusing the system as other countries. There are some spectacular cases, notably in timber and aircraft. But I agree – that would be a good, if tiny step, towards returning high-end jobs to America.

  • mariandavid

    I respect your viewpoint from the point of view of private business, but with all apolgies that has nothing whatsoever to do with the lack of engineering and other high-income jobs for Americans. That is affected by the hiring practises of corporations and that is what is hurting America, far more than unions or any other pet peeve of political posturing.

    And you obviously know nothing whatsover about money and taxes, if you seriously believe what you wrote about Canada. Put as gently as I can: The Canadian dollar is worth more than the US because Canada prints LESS money than America. Gently again: The value of money goes down as the country prints more – as in the US.

    And you are right about population – the US has about 10 times as much population as Canada. It also has higher unemployment, far greater debt per head (even worse than Greece!), a poorer balance of trade and more crime. So what? None of which have anything whatsover to do with what the original article was about – the failure of engineers and other aerospace specialists to find good jobs in America.

  • Niniane

    Let me GENTLY tell you that you have little understanding of this country. Let me also gently tell you that what I have been trying to outline in my posts is an honest description of the problems these administrations have brought upon this country and no demands for higher pay or government regulations, printing more money and subsidation will bring them into line.

    Corporate hiring practices are to be determined by the non-governmental corporation and they should not be told that they have to retain a disasterous idiot when it the job is not completed to requirements satisfactorily, as is the press of unions.

    And you never did answer my query about if you have ever run a private business.

  • DMTyler

    I just advocated slapping China with tariffs, not bowing in obeisance to them ( even though the soon to be former POTUS has).  One cannot prevent companies here in America to  go overseas and hire workers who are willing to work for less.

    And you can’t give political litmus tests to purchasers of company stock.  I am certainly not in favor of ostracizing Taiwan economically or in any other way.

    Yes, jobs have been exported because of governmental and non-governmental unions and government policies  favoring those non-governmental unions raising wages in  non-right to work states.  And government regulations and taxes making the US a very unfriendly business environment.  And so-called “free” trade agreements.  And our (not yours) ludicrous southern border, immigration policy and government moratoriums on the oil industry and government interference in general.  POTUS screwed retiree GM bondholders to enrich his union cronies and on and on. Be grateful for Harper. Good nite.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    It’s probably a hybrid of what you’re saying and what @RenegadeScholar:disqus and I said–and a combo of both. The H1B workers will work for less. But if the workers turned out from American schools were as skilled, there wold be a push to limit H1B visas. Of course, private businesses may also be partially at fault here. So many issues to examine.

    And with all that, I didn’t even broach WAGES.

  • mariandavid

    Replying to a later post. No I never owned a company, but I was in the military, in business and in politics which I think gives me an equally broad viewpoint.

    20 years ago you would have been right – as corporate hiring practises were inevitably choosing between American workers with very few (and those specialised green card) outsiders. But now they no longer do, they very often do not want to and there is nothing to compel them.

    And what is being missed is that if America high-paying jobs are not reclaimed, all the talk of debt reform and budget limitations will mean nothing whatsoever, because what you will have is a hollowed-out country filled with those with menial jobs, save for a very fortunate few who can do what companies cannot find to do cheaper abroad.

    So you have your choice – and since American business has betrayed the social contract between employer and worker I see nothing wrong with compelling them to honor it once more. But that is because I love American people, not American concepts.

  • conquest915

    No he’s not…But Boeing is making the people of South Carolina very happy, along with companies like Michelin, BMW, Amazon, FN Arms, etc. etc. Oh did I mention, SC is a right to work state. So all you union lemmings in your liberal, dem controlled cesspool states keep up the good work and keep on blaming the corporations because we have plenty of room for a lot more of those high paying, high tech jobs.

  • mariandavid

    But they are not high-paying; that is why Boeing is going there. And note that while they have gone to SC for the second 787 assembly line – that is the easy bit of aircraft construction. The expensive, clever bits with really, really skilled engineers and technicians – they sent those to Italy and Japan – and they did not dare transfer more from Seattle, not after the three year delays to the 787 and less to the 740.

    But I am very glad for South Carolina and even more for Canada where I come from. This is a place with lots of unions (just like where Airbus makes planes) but – guess what – yet another place that Boeing sends its higher-paying jobs too. But unlike you I regret what has happened to your fellow citizens in the states further north, those that created the industrial United States that you are now finally joining.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Weaver/100000053891622 Bill Weaver

    So what Rachel is sayings is the US should be more like Europe to create jobs
    1. Europe that has more Government involvement in Private Industries.  ( Airbus was started by the French and German Governments)
    2. Europe that has single payer healthcare.  (removing healthcare costs from product making it competitive)
    2. Europe that has free or near free higher education allowing people to go into fields they desire instead of ones that pay more ( Lawyer, Doctor)
    4. Europe that has more regulations and taxes than the US yet makes an Airplane that is more competitive than Boeing.

    Finally the right has seen the light.

  • Guest

    Buying into Free Trade is a symptom, not a cause, of the dumbing down of America. What happened is that lazy bums, socialists, liberal fools, and minorities united in a (successful) effort to sell Americans on the idea that Western civilization was the cause of all evil in the world. We were fed one huge guilt trip by evil or worthless idiots. It became politically incorrect to design big airplanes or fast cars or anything industrial – or to protect American jobs, or plan for an industrialized, tech future.

    Years ago a Japanese, commenting on the statement that America was a superpower, said that no nation can call itself a superpower whose military aircraft depend on computers made in another nation. (If I recall correctly, the F-16′s fly-by-wire chips are made in Japan.) He was right. There are flaws in our superstructure. We need to correct them, but it doesn’t look like there’s enough time left before we crash and burn.

  • Guest

    It’s both. Having worked in a position which is responsible for confronting troublemakers (I am not a police officer), I have been required to be gentle and polite, even when doing so would endanger myself and those I’m supposed to watch out for, and fails to stop the troublemaker. I have seen (who hasn’t?) police taking gross personal insults and other verbal abuse that should have resulted in a nightstick being vigorously applied to the offender.

    It’s not just that part of life, either. Parents have told me that if they spank their children they would lose them to Child Welfare. When I (a senior citizen) am harassed by my (much younger illegal immigrant) neighbors, I would go to jail if I responded appropriately – which in my opinion would be a nightstick to the kneecaps.

    Schools will spend money attempting to stop bullying in schools, but they OPPOSE teaching the victims to just smack down the bully. “Violence begets violence.” Wrong. Correctly applied, sufficient violence STOPS violence! Colleges and universities won’t allow qualified students to carry concealed weapons on campus. They prefer to let their students be executed by whatever psychotic mental dwarf comes along. And while they’re hoping not to be massacred, students are being taught that Western civilization and Judeo-Christian values “have got to go”, being the cause of all evil in the world.

    Our “president” apologizes to the rest of the world and bows to the corrupt kings of nations full of 7th-century mindless savages. This from the “leader” of the once-Free World, from the “leader” of the nation that rescued all of Europe from two World Wars and the economic aftermath, the one nation on earth that has given more foreign aid and disaster aid (two different things) to more other nations than all other nations on earth combined.

    Weakness, timidity, and guilt are taught from the early years on. It’s what the feminists call “learned helplessness”. The more vigorous or desperate nations will attract the jobs, and we are in danger of going gently into that good night, wimping all the way.

  • mariandavid

    Very true. Strangely (or perhaps not) the western countries that have avoided the worst aspects of this are those with the (almost) universally accepted tradition of governments having the right to tell companies what is permissable. So that in Northern and Central Europe (and even northern Italy and southern Spain) companies operate that employ locally at reasonable (by US standards now good)wages and still make profit and excellent products.Think Airbus and VW just for two.

    I think we (the US and Canada) are suffering because we had the tradition of not interfering with companies, since they could only benefit us so what was the point. But now an US company can bribe (sorry lobby – but bribery everywhere else!) congressmen to grant tax exemptions using public money, but without any condition that those benefits be used to benefit America. Instead they make parts of China or Australia or even Canada richer.

  • Guest

    I’m seeing a “TILT!” indicator flashing here. Our government definitely does control employment practices. You’d know that if you worked in an American management or middle management position. It’s not total control yet. Maybe that’s what you have in Canada.

    You said in an earlier post that American job loss “will continue until their lackeys (your legally bribable congressmen)
    are compelled to reverse policies so that tax breaks only go to US
    companies that make [sic] in the US employing US citizens.”

    Boeing is trying to continue hiring Americans. The alternative to moving to a right-to-work state will eventually be either Boeing going bankrupt, becoming a nationalized company like GM (which is what the obamascum are trying to accomplish), or shipping the jobs overseas.

    “dumbing down of American worker income” – by which I assume you mean lower wages for American workers – is going to happen. Unions have been abusing union power to force artificially high wages on the rest of us. The government has been controlling that part of employment practice through its union buddies, who then contribute to the politicians’ campaigns, causes, and personal enrichment. We the Tea Party and conservatives are trying to stop that (and we’ve won some important battles) before offshoring totally destroys the entire American economy. That’s why conservatives are backing Boeing.

  • mariandavid

    Agreed: However is not Boeing just going to SC because ‘jobs are cheaper’? Which is fine for Boeing and for the previously under (if ever) industrially employed in SC, but not an useful policy for the US as a whole. All it means is that an American company is taking advantage of variations in US labour laws to shift its least demanding and least qualified jobs to cheap areas.

    You see I think we disagree over ‘Boeing going bankrupt’ having anything whatsoever to do with US labour costs. This is a farrago of lies propagated by unscrupulous companies. It might be true for low-end trades like clothing, or even the pure assembly-line process – but what America needs and is entitled by its years of leadership and example to have are regular, high-paying, high-demand occupations. And that is what Boeing needs which is why it keeps its research and engineering facilities in Seattle.

    I suppose that what I am regretting (unkind souls might say whining over) is the end of the formal apprenticeship programmes that used to produce the workers that made America the dominant force in the world. But those have vanished (not enough short-term benefit for an ambitious and mobile CEO). Strangely US firms that need to stay competitive in a world market still run them in the new form of ‘internships’.

  • Guest

    You don’t reclaim high-paying jobs by giving the government control. The current administration of American government has clearly and repeatedly demonstrated that it wants nothing so much as the destruction of America. See another example in today’s HE of the Border Patrol being prevented from effectively patrolling the border by the Environmental Protection Agency. The obama administration has more tentacles than all the octopi in the ocean, it seems, and every tentacle is poisonous. To give such a government control of business is equivalent to putting Jack Kevorkian in charge of the nation’s senior health care.

    Our current administration, in other words, is “Doctor Death” to American freedom and financial health.

    The free market will aid in a recovery if government is FORCED to remove the strangulations it has applied to the free market. The free market is not the total answer. Recovering high paying jobs will require a massive reform of educational institutions and the media as well. There is also the spiritual element to be considered, since there must be moral imperatives instilled in individuals or nothing else matters. IMHO, only religion can do that. But government control is not now, never has been, and never will be the answer. History, from ancient times to today’s news, demonstrates this undeniably.

  • Ed_USA

    Marsden says “what I witnessed here was unfettered capitalism and free-market
    competition at its finest.  I was so deeply moved that I nearly burst
    into tears in front of an Aster 30 missile, in all its phallic
    excellence.”

    Nice. I guess that’s what turns “conservative” bimbos on. But do bear in mind that the customers who  purchase the Aster 30 are all governments. They all shop using tax dollars, unless they are dictatorial regimes like the Saudis who just take the oil money before it gets to the people, thus cutting out the tax man altogether.

    Also take note that most of the big countries make their own weapons, and then sell some of them to the small countries. If Marsden thinks that US military purchasing is “unfettered capitalism” then she’s even dumber than this article makes her appear.

  • Niniane

    And who would you recommend to COMPEL businesses to honor the “social contract”? The government? The unions? The government is not necessarily after profit as it has the power of taxation and printing money to cover their wild-spending shortfalls. Unions are a different animal, and definitely into profit mode through forced membership of workers to enrich the pockets of the union honchos.

    Having run a couple private businesses (which I later sold successfully) the bottom line of profit and loss is all important. If an item didn’t sell it would be cleared from the inventory by having a sale and not reordered. If an employee did not perform as expected (like leaving the cash register open continually while they wandered off) I gave them a talking-to and if things did not improve, the employee would be dismissed. The trust between me expecting job performance and the employee, being paid fair wage to perform assigned duties, was null and void. With union employees, there is little short of murder which can get an employee dismissed. (We have had too many instances of union labor misbehaving: Chrysler employees drinking beer and smoking pot on their breaks; bus drivers on the route driving with their girlfriends on their laps, or texting and calling while driving; teachers in Wisconsin shutting down public schools to go protest in Madison; union employees in New York City not adequately plowing the streets of snow per union orders so they can get more overtime. Per union contracts, none of them can be let go. Getting very close to the old Soviet Socialist Republic days, where the central committee guaranteed that you would be paid if you just showed up at the job, not if you actually did anything.)

  • Concerned4America

    I can’t comment on Airbus but Boeing was started by a technical guy who loved airplanes and became a leader in its field. It is now run by a group of managers who love money and is becoming a note in the history books.

  • supernatural_witness

    They don’t employ her idiot; they simply buy her column. They are a customer; she sells her writing for a profit. More than you can say; get your own column before you criticize hers. I usually enjoy her columns, and undoubedly enough others enjoy them to keep her employed.

  • mariandavid

    I only wish that you were right, and indeed before the free movement of capital and the equally free transfer of hiring from country to country you would be right. But everything has changed and your solution, eliminating government control over corporate practices would lead to the US being turned into a place where success is determined by how low wages can be. And since you would be competing with countries with even lower wages, the net result would be disaster.

    After all the biggest long term problem for the US is not the debt or the debt ratio – it is the lack of employment and the even greater reduction in well-paying jobs. Fix that and the increased tax income would eventually solve the debt crisis. That certainly worked in Canada in the 1990′s.

    Oh and ny the way government control may not work in the US, but elsewhere it has proven to be very effective both now and in the past – from the Roman Empire to the French Republic.

  • mariandavid

    If the laws allow unions to get away with that you are right. But if you have an efficient and fair legal system none of your arguments apply. After all (as I said before) the most efficient companies in the world are those where the unions are strongest, not weakest – as in Germany and Scandinavia. But that is because there the unions are bound by law and bound to participate in the operations of the company. So that a certain number of company directors are union representatives. And it works very well.

    The problem in North America is that some (politicians, media such as those that picked out the horror stories you quote, while conveniently ignoring similar behaviour by non-union workers) have twisted this so that it is antagonism rather than co-operation that works. It can be changed but, alas, only by outside pressure, as when the North American car industry was rescued from oblivion a few years ago.

  • mariandavid

    I think the same was true of General Motors. Sometime in the 1980′s the CEO and CFO jobs were assumed by accountants etc – with brilliant ideas like ‘lets put the same engine in all our brands – it saves so much money and then we can fire our design engineers’. And then of course the Buick owner discovered his car had a Chevrolet engine and the rest is history!

  • BlakeSDavis

    Airbus as “capitallism”?  You joke – Airbus is routinely subsidized with enormous amounts of capital. Just who do you think paid the development costs for the A380 and the Airbus’ new green aircraft? It was primarily government money, which Boeing doesn’t get and never will get.

    So don’t talk about capitalism – what was on display was typical European style socialism – Airbus could never compete on a level paying field with Boeing.

    That being said, maybe our politicians will wake up and do the same with Boeing? And use some of our political capital to assist Boeing as well – after all, if some countries want our military or dollars they should buy our aircraft. And we should get rid of the ridiculous prohibition on paying off gov’t officials overseas – Airbus does it, so does every other overseas company – another example of Democrat style baloney which prevents our companies from competing.

    No wonder there aren’t any jobs!

  • Niniane

    Re your reply to me below: the difference is that the aforementioned atrocities or crap by a non-union worker will end in that non-union employee being fired. With union employees that would not happen due to the stipulations in the contract for their employees.

    At this point in time, unions are not the answer to this economy or the world’s economy by their demands of higher wages. Neither is this government demanding that a private industry tailor its product to their vision of utopia when no one is willing to buy it. 

  • mariandavid

    I am not talking about killing business, just ensuring that American business that benefits from American taxpayers and from government orders be expected to return more than just a trifle to America. Remember that most of the companies that established plants in the southern US were from Europe and Japan!

    And it was not wages that affected US labour costs – it was defined pension benefits. The contracts said that both company and worker were supposed to contribute, but guess what only the worker did! In Germany law ensures that companies comply, so unions never need to strike. Easy is it not?

    And the other issue (being carefully glibbed over by media) is that the US is now among the least upwardly mobile industrial countries in the world. It used to be the most – but no longer.

  • mariandavid

    Nonsense – home schooling has considerable merit up to the age of about 12-14. Beyond that it is damaging, most especially to the students social growth, quite apart from the fact that no parent could possibly and adequately instruct a student accurately in all the disciplines needed to succeed in the modern world. Unless of course either the student or the parents have IQ’s in the middle to high 100′s – in which case any schooling is not necessary below university level.

    And my friends who are teachers say that they can spot the students who will perform up to potential at the end of the first semester. They are the ones whose parents come to parents night or whatever it is locally called. The ones who whine and complain inevitably convince their children that school is always wrong and that teachers do not matter; so they pay no attention to either and fail in life. But of course the school was at fault.

  • mariandavid

    Agreed – what did happen to compulsory trade instruction anyway? Here in Ontario a premier (governor) listened to some twaddle from Florida and decreed that it was no longer useful and cost money. He was our twit – I assume you have yours.

  • Dave9572

    My new HP Laptop was shipped directly from China; It was made on the most advanced automated assembly line, which very little labor costs. Today labor is a very small part of total cost. It is US Tax policy that is moving jobs to asia.

  • Dave9572

    Just like your retirement savings; Capital will alway move in the direction of greatest return. US & Canadian tax policies and anit-business atmosphere drives capital (ie jobs) to China & India. Although, the de-industialzation makes the eviro-whacs happpy.

  • Dave9572

    The phone system should be single payer like the old days!! (and we’d still be using a rotary dial land line)

  • Guest

    HE won’t allow me to reply to your later comment so I’ll reply here. You said:

    “I am not talking about killing business, just ensuring that
    American business that benefits from American taxpayers and from government
    orders be expected to return more than just a trifle to America. Remember that
    most of the companies that established plants in the southern US were from
    Europe and Japan! And it was not wages that affected US labour costs – it was
    defined pension benefits. The contracts said that both company and worker were
    supposed to contribute, but guess what only the worker did! In Germany law
    ensures that companies comply, so unions never need to strike. Easy is it not?
    And the other issue (being carefully glibbed over by media) is that the US is
    now among the least upwardly mobile industrial countries in the world. It used to
    be the most – but no longer.”

    Let’s see – it was “defined pension benefits” that affected US labor costs? And at the same time you say the companies were not contributing. You canceled out your own complaint.

    And you appear to be claiming that Germany forces companies to contribute, which drives up the cost of labor. Your “solution” is a problem that doesn’t exist in the US, but you want to create it for us. How sweet of you. Keep your socialist ideas in Canada.

    US Dept. of Labor statistics reveal that, as all US citizens know, union workers earn higher wages than non-union workers in the same industry. Duh. That’s why unions came into being. Where do you get this malarkey? Denying reality is not a sign of wisdom.

    “most of the companies that established plants in the southern US were from
    Europe and Japan!” – What’s your point?

    “…the US is now among the least upwardly mobile industrial countries in the world.”
    Again, what is your point? That increasing government control is bad for business? That’s my point. I’m glad you agree with me.

    “Easy is it not?” What the heck does that mean?

    You’ve not only been drinking socialist Kool-Aid, you’ve become extremely confused, or else you’re trying to confuse everyone else, in the hope of conning us into accepting socialist stupidity. Or just plain stupidity.

  • mariandavid

    True in the case of the US. However it is probably more accurate to say that Chinese policy is attracting the jobs! But you certainly do have a valid point – yet somewhere there is a breakpoint by which some assembly jobs are retained in the ‘West’ and others abandoned to China etc.

    A classic example is modern trains – second only to aircraft in complexity and cost. Right now the world market is dominated by three European companies (Alstom, Siemens and Bombardier) with two American ones dominating a single section – diesel locomotives. The only ‘Eastern’ one active outide is Hitachi.

    My suspicion is that in these cases there is a highly unofficial rule of ‘use here, make here’ – maybe it should be extended! The only other recent case of this was the US award of Boeing for the air-force tanker and the Eads award of RR/Semeca for the A400 engine; in both cases the better product (the American engine and the European plane) losing out to to local demands.

  • mariandavid

    To take your last point first. Yes I am a conservative – an economic conservative and there are far more conservatives like me around than there are like you.

    Now the points that matter:

    First if there is a contract between employer and employed that involves joint pension action then the company MUST comply. How could anyone possibly believe otherwise. And, probably much to your susprise – this is normal, from Wall Street CEO’s to workers at Boeing (including I suspect South Carolina – though I admit the status of any law in SC is a little uncertain).

    And again, no doubt to your surprise in the glory days of America which were by most accounts from about 1951 (war investment) to about 1990 (national income/expediture ratio finally collapsing); then there was indeed an equal and balanced relationship between management and labour. You have probably conveniently forgotten but those were the days when Boeing and Caterpiller, Ford and Du Pont, and endless others with large, well-paid (yes and unionised) employees ruled the economic world and made America the envy of all others.

    But then it fell apart as fanatics like you (and equally on the liberal and socialist side) objected and changed and claimed that their side was the only one right, with no exceptions and always so; and, inevitably that relationship collapsed in a fit of mutual greed and with it American exceptionalism. And I doubt very much in a nation split on even basic ecomomic theory that it will ever recovery.

    And what I find pitiably amusing about your response was the phrase ‘socialism required unthinking acceptance’; probably true but with your outdated platitudes and endless reiteration of irrelevent and passe attitudes - so you too are ‘unthinkingly accepting’. And by so doing you are helping to destroy true conservatism and part of the true future of America.