Taxes & Spending

Welfare Reform Tackles Debt Crisis and Unemployment

House Republicans have begun reforming welfare programs as part of their efforts to cut government spending to tackle the budget deficit and reduce unemployment.  The House passed the Republican budget for Fiscal Year 2012 on Friday.  It reduces government spending on the welfare programs and increases employment through mandatory work requirements.

Also, Rep. Jim Jordan (R.-Ohio) introduced the Welfare Reform Act of 2011, which is an overall restructuring of the entitlement program.  Jordan’s bill would cut redundancy of the 77 federal welfare programs, cap overall spending on the programs, and mandate work requirements.

“This bill begins to treat all American families with the respect they deserve.  We’re giving the taxpayers, who are supporting the system, the facts of where your dollars are actually going, and showing this is why it needs change.  And for the families stuck in the system, we’re going to give them tough-love incentives they need for a better life,” Jordan said in an interview with HUMAN EVENTS.

The key provisions of the Welfare Reform Act are the following:  Formulate the total amount that taxpayers are spending on all means-tested welfare at all government levels, require that the President’s annual budget include the total cost for federal, state, and local welfare spending for the next decade, require able-bodied adult beneficiaries of food stamps to work or prepare for a job, and after unemployment falls to 6.5%, then cap welfare spending at 2007 levels as adjusted for inflation.

Jordan said that welfare reform is needed now because of the debt crisis.  The current national debt is $14.1 trillion, and is projected to hit the statutory debt ceiling in the next month.  And this year’s projected budget deficit is $1.6 trillion.

“Reason one, welfare reform is going to help with the spending problem eventually.  This is mandatory spending.  And there are 77 different means-tested social welfare programs out there,” said Jordan.  “When you factor in state tax dollars and federal tax dollars, it’s comparable to what is spent at the federal level for national defense.”

According to the House Republican Study Committee, which Jordan heads, the state and federal government are spending twice as much on welfare programs since reforms were instituted in 1996.  The committee predicts that welfare spending will exceed $10 trillion over the next decade.

“We have 77 different programs, and you just ask the obvious question, ‘Do you think there is some redundancy there?’  There are probably some programs that we can get rid of, and combine resources,” said Jordan.  “And actually if you combine resources, and you can combine programs, you can actually free up some dollars.  Some of the savings can actually go to help the needy families out there.”

Also, Jordan said that with the slow economy and high rate of unemployment (8.8%), instituting work requirements is necessary to help get people back on the job.

“We want to do things that actually help families, not trap families,” Jordan told HUMAN EVENTS.  “When they actively have to do the job search, or community work, or some kind of employment that supplements what they’re getting from the taxpayer, those are all things that help them with the kind of employment that they can get into long-term, and get away from any welfare program.”

In 1996, the Republican Congress worked with President Clinton to reform welfare by creating the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program.  The TANF program required recipients to work or prepare to work.  Jordan said that the 1996 reforms were successful in getting people back to work, but other social welfare programs have since expanded in scope and costs, while the culture has reverted back to old standards due to liberal policies under President Obama and a Democrat-controlled Congress.

“The last several years under Democrats, we’ve begun to move back to the old model of thinking of welfare as, the more people you sign up, the more successful the program is, versus what it should be,” said Jordan.  “A successful social welfare program is one that would have fewer and fewer people, more and more people employed in the private sector, and more and more people who aren’t stuck in the old system.”

Jordan also pointed to Obama’s stimulus bill for contributing to the social welfare problems by incentivizing states to sign up more people onto welfare rolls in order to get more federal funds.  “The incentive I think has moved in the wrong direction,” said Jordan.

Jordan’s bill has 18 co-sponsors, including the original Republican co-sponsors, Representatives Tim Scott (S.C.), Scott Garrett (N.J.), Dan Burton (Ind.), Louie Gohmert (Tex.), and Jason Chaffetz (Utah).  As the 77 welfare programs are spread out among so many federal departments and agencies, the bill was referred to five committees of jurisdiction: Ways and Means, Budget, Rules, Agriculture, and Energy and Commerce.

Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R.-Wis.) included two major provisions from the Welfare Reform Act in the House GOP budget for FY12.  The Republican budget includes the new work requirement for food stamp recipients and puts a spending cap on all welfare programs at 2007 levels after unemployment falls below 6.5%.

The Republicans’ “Path to Prosperity” budget, which tackles entitlement reform of mandatory spending, passed the House last week along party lines, but is not expected to get a vote in the Democrat-controlled Senate.

Jordan is pushing for a stand-alone vote in the House this year on the Welfare Reform Act.

“Work requirements, having limits, having an overall cap, we think all these things are going to be helpful as we move forward,” Jordan told HUMAN EVENTS.  “And of course, there’s the other big issue that we talked about, and that is, we’re broke.  We’ve got to change.  And if we don’t begin to dramatically change things, the path we’re on fiscally is just not sustainable.”

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  • MarylandConservative

    This is a great article, and Ryan’s budget addresses the root causes for this particular reform. Which is exactly why not a single Democrat will vote for it, ever.

    Reforming welfare directly impacts the Democrats core constituency, the parasites.

    Not all indidviduals currently on government assistance are freeloaders, however, the incentives to remain a state sponsored sponge are appealing.

    Addressing illegal immigration and the anchor baby insanity granting citizenship will also go a very long way in closing this financial sinkhole.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ELVVIKQBY6RG3FTED7NVM7OJEM JenChris

    Sounds great. Let’s add another provision that stipulates zero increases in welfare assistance for additional pregnancies. If you apply for welfare because you’re pregnant and unmarried, fine, but no further increases in the rate of assistance if you get pregnant again for at least 5 years UNLESS YOU ARE MARRIED. The current system penalizes marriage and encourages endless illegitimate pregnancies – IT MUST BE REVERSED if we are to restore the family. And just so we’re clear – if we’re going to demand welfare recipients get jobs, there better be some out there in the first place. So, while waiting for the unemployment rate to drop before capping welfare is a good idea, jobs will never materialize unless Corporate Taxes and onerous Left wing regulations are decreased substantially. No matter how much those job killing lefty b@stards scream about it.

  • wodiej

    Well said. I hear all the time about women who purposely get pregnant to collect more welfare. The earned income credit needs to be stopped as well. I used to know someone who had 3 illegitimate kids and got back a federal tax refund double what she actually paid in taxes. She actually worked too so she was raking in the dough. What did she do with her $7k refund each year? She wasted it.

  • wodiej

    thank you. well said.

  • wodiej

    There are many people who have been on some type of public assistance their entire lives by engaging in irresponsible behavior and are just plain lazy. However, with such a high unemployment rate, I don’t know where the gov’t thinks these jobs are as an incentive to get people off the dole.

    Many have been involuntarily unemployed and are frantically searching for any type of job to pay their own way. It is not a good situation and I don’t see the signs of improvement that the Obama administration and liberals claim are there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Margaret-Tull/100000045988667 Margaret Tull

    i hate dhs those crooks they owe me bigtime those freakin crooks stole my ids i hate the whole system

  • http://twitter.com/phillydkidder Kevin McCarthy

    Not Enough!

  • Kurt101

    There are plenty of jobs out there, these are the jobs that many americans “THINK” they are too good to do! End the welfare fiasco and we will find that americans will be willing to do any job to keep a roof over their head and food in their bellies! I do not want to keep being a slave to too lazy to work welfare leeches, HOW ABOUT YOU???

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    I would also add mandatory drug testing for ALL welfare recipients, I don’t care how old or young you are, I have seen people in their 70′s and people as young as 10 fail a drug test for non-prescribed drugs.
    I also agree with some other posters here end the welfare for illegals and anchor babies, also if you cannot speak English then sorry, no support. If you cannot communicate in English to apply for a job or do a job then I suggest you go back to the cesspool of a country you came from, and we don’t give rat’s a$$ if it’s against your religion to not do something. Then I suggest you you get off your a$$ and do something that your religion permits besides being a parasite to taxpayers or go back to your hell hole country of origin.

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    ANYONE who wants to work, can! The welfare system is full of lazies who make it a career to work the system. They have baby after baby with who knows who, just so their “qualification” continues..they play on the libs who cry for “the children, the children!”. A friend of mine who worked for the state at the time Reagan said “Two years and you’re cut off!” asked me, “What will these poor women do with their kids when they have to go to work?” I said that it is not my problem, they should have thought of that, been working all along and maybe have been too tired to have all the kids! TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS!

  • johntmcdonald

    I swear, there must be a gas arising from the ghastly swamp that is Washington, DC that causes rank stupidity among long-term residents of the area. How to solve the welfare problem in three steps:
    1. Deport all illegal aliens.
    2. Lower or eliminate the minimum wage.
    3. Get the Federal Government out of the welfare business.
    There, isn’t that simple?

  • Culture_Warrior

    Myth: the unemployed don’t want to work and will tend to stay unemployed due to government “hand outs.”

    Oh sure, reduce the deficit on the backs of the poor while bringing down the amount of tax responsibility of the rich. That’s called redistributing the the wealth upwards. And you wonder why the right has the reputation of being heartless and selfish?

    Clearly, the American people support restoring the tax rates on the rich to the Clinton levels rather than reduce Medicare benefits. The right is on the wrong side of the issue as usual.

  • Culture_Warrior

    The other posters to this article seem to be proving my point.
    There’s a lot of intolerance, ignorance, selfishness and hate out there.
    Scary. Not the America I love.

  • wodiej

    Kurt, I have to wonder if you have ever been out of work when you didn’t want to be. I am a college graduate with over 20 years of financial experience. My company moved my accounting job out of state last February. I began looking for a new job months before I lost that one. I also saved money and cut back on any unneeded expenses. I have been mowing lawns, doing landscaping and painting houses to make ends meet. I have applied for a variety of jobs and have worked in everything from fast food to cleaning houses. I am not too proud to do anything if it is an honest living. I have applied for hundreds of jobs. I have an impeccable work history. So no, I am not too lazy to work.

    I can only conclude your statement is based on ignorance. Be careful about judging others.

  • goldenprez

    Amazing, the magician says, “Nothing up my sleeve,” as he rolls his sleeve up to distract you, and you all look at his sleeve.

    No matter what the Republicans pass will not be passed in the Senate by the ensconced Democ-rats and RINOs. While Bonehead, Can’tor, and McCowardly already gave away their only real “weapon,” shutting down the government, this is all blowing more smoke.

    As long as they are not willing to “stand and fight,” they will accomplish nothing.

    I really feel sorry for Jim Jordan. He is in there trying at every opportunity. And he is being “sold out” at every opportunity by the “establishment” Republicans and CINOs. I also admire him, for his steeled resolve and perseverance.

    We have got to get this man some help come 2012.

    Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    ” Clearly, the American people support restoring the tax rates on the rich”

    I am not sure that statement is actually supported in fact. The statistics I have seen do not bear that out. Perhaps that is what you think, or perhaps you are speaking for “the American people.”

    You don’t seem to be a serious person here. I have heard nothing but empty rhetoric for the past month or so from the Dem/prog/liberal crowd. We have an incredibly serious national problem. I have not heard one drop of serious discussion or anything approaching a viable alterative out of the Dem party- not a word. All they seem to want to do is act like emotional bedwetters and scream about the poor, “the chiren”, the women who won’t be able to get their abortions etc. It is beyond obscene.

    Of course it is very politician like to promise people things that they actually can’t pay for or won’t be around to worry about how to pay for it, but it makes good sound bites while running for election.

    Perhaps you don’t have much interaction with the welfare system but it badly needs to be reformed- badly. There is massive abuse. That is not to say that some individuals have not been helped in a time of crisis but dude- we are into transgenerational welfare these days, or had you not noticed?
    It is actually okay to think about an issue and try to address a problem without going into frothing overdrive about eating the rich, hurting the poor, or what was it- breaking the backs of the poor by giving the rich tax cuts?

    I am sure you have read the hundred or so articles lately talking about the fact if we just confiscated the entire wealth of the top 2 or 10 % of the wage earners or even corps in this country, we still couldn’t run the country very long and we wouldn’t make a dent in the deficit. But thanks for the emotional bedwetting.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    This may come as a shock but trying to address a problem isn’t actually hate. There IS a lot of welfare abuse and double and tripling dipping and gaming of the system. I see it every day. I think most all Americans are actually pretty giving people and are willing to help. But I do see a lot of anger and having the government- or the state if you will, confiscating more and more of your money to give to people who actually game the system.( And many know they do)
    I would venture to say, on a charitable basis, 99.99% of conservative readers here would and do go out of their way to help people in need. They just get tired and resentful of the government taking and seemingly endless amount of their earnings to fund an essentially corrupt system that needs reforming.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    my daughter is deaf and signs….in your view, she should be banned from the country!?

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Hmm…well, as one of those “parasites” I would like to add a few words…. The current system is designed to punish those individuals who try to get out of the poverty cycle. At one time, TANF was available for persons who tried to attend college (so one my better be able to obtain a non dead end job) but that plan was ousted. Child care is virtually unavailable and getting a job at mcdonalds will not fix this problem. I have done the math and concluded that, if I were to work for mediocre wages, i would be in the hole 10 dollars more a month then if I were to be a bum and not do anything. Maybe if the system rewarded hard work, then more would be able to get off it. Secondly, If they were to help poor women, then having access to birth control methods would significantly help the problem. I for one would love the opportunity to get “fixed” so I could not have any more children, but that is not allowed in the medicaid program. Oh, but lets stop federal funding for planned parenthood, which gives me birth control. Third, I unfortunatly have been on welfare my entire life and am just now able to get out of it because of my college degree. If the Republicans get their way, no more pell grants for people like me, and thus closing the one way to get out of the poverty cycle. For those who believe me to be one of the proverbial “welfare queens” let me say this; Everything I have is from hard work, gifts or help from the government. Without any assistance, we would have more crime and poverty. I would be reduced to stealing to feed my daughter, and fraud to pay her medical bills. oh, but lets cut it…..and let the rich reap the benefits of not helping the poor in the country by giving tax cuts to people who do not pay the same rate as the middle class. And for any misconception on the whole “the poor do not pay taxes” bs, well….1. every time there is a levy the poor have their rent increased to compensate. 2. When they buy food, or necessities, they pay a higher percentage of their income on sales tax and 3. any fees or licensing fees also cuts into their limited funding.
    But let us demonize the poor for being poor……being that of course it is their fault for not trying hard to obtain the “american dream”. let us use a few examples of people taking advantage of the system and stereotype all that are in it. That is a smart smart road to go down. Let us look highly upon the wealthy because they worked very hard to be born into a good life.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    “I am not sure that statement is actually supported in fact. The statistics I have seen do not bear that out”.
    Cite them so we may see these “statistics” (if they are from citizens united or any other type of biased news source, should one really believe it?) ………..
    95% of all statistical statements are skewed” (there is a joke in that people….)

  • AngryWelfareMom

    What if some of those women wanted to abort their child so as not to leech off your system?

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    Angrywelfare mom: Yes, you sound very angry and you sound very entitled. Let’s clear up some things.
    Almost your entire post is that the state ( taxpayers, wealthy, and middle income) OWE YOU these things. Of course it is good for all people to try to better yourself, but you have the classic entitlement mentality that I see so much of day in day out.
    First of all, The concept that the taxpayers owe you whatever you demand. In the past 200 years or so of our country, it was expected that if one became pregant, one would be responsible , economically speaking for the care of that child. It was not the expectation that if one had trouble making ends meet ,you could rage at a political party for not giving them enough of their paycheck to raise your child.( or you would have to steal and commit fraud) What kind of thinking is that? Think about what you just said.
    I see you ladies every day that get pregant with no father and yet have very expectation that the state will kick in and take care of medical expenses for their babies and welfare for them- as the state did for their mother. The concept that they are fiscally responsible NEVER crossed their mind.
    You refer to the the fact that medicaid won’t fund your sterilization. Another entitled assumption. The taxpayers fund your healthcare, and yet you are up in arms about them not doing enough.Medicaid is about to bankrupt some of our states. How much do you want people to pay for your care?
    Why can’t PP be funded you say? We’re broke- or haven’t you heard. PLus you can get your birth control through medicaid which the taxpayers are already paying for.
    The classwarfare argument is so old and tired.The wealthy and the nasty taxpayers ( and the middle class pay for your care at every turn and yet you denigrate them as evil rich and not paying enough for you).Sound kind of off?
    Do you have some kind of info somewhere that says people who are wealthy were born into it? I wan’t born into it. I work very hard and frankly, I make better decisions about how to spend my money that the state or federal government.
    Now we have an ever growing trans-generational welfare class who are really p/o’d because those evil rich Republicans aren’t giving them all they demand and all the democratic polticians promised they could have but didn’t worry about paying for.
    America is supposed to be about liberty and freedom. You aren’t born with a guarantee to fund your every move because you demand in a loud voice that things are unfair. I am very glad you are trying to better your situation but try not to demonize the very citizens that pay and pay to make this possible. It just so happens that the US and the states and the citizenry are running out of money for everyone’s demands.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    If you wish to kill your babies in the womb, isn’t that a personal decision?

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    Maybe if you pull your head out of your butt and reread my comment instead of just going off maybe you may rethink your comment. So what are you a drug addict, or an illegal? What in my comment says that your child being deaf should be banned from the country, if you are illegal, then I guess my answer is yes get the hell out or apply for citizenship. Are you saying you can’t work because your child is deaf? Your argument is weak at best. One of my friends has a business that does sign language and guess what, she helps families find schools for deaf children, or deaf adults find jobs. I think angrywelfaremom, should stop shooting her mouth off in ignorance.

  • georgiacricket

    Paul said in his letters to the early Christian Church, “Help the poor who are poor indeed”. This means not to help the poor who are poor “in deed”. I am a compassionate woman, who is willing to “teach someone to fish”, not to just to give someone a “fish”. Let them who have ears, let them hear!

  • AngryWelfareMom

    “What kind of thinking is that? Think about what you just said.
    I see you ladies every day that get pregant with no father and yet have very expectation that the state will kick in and take care of medical expenses for their babies and welfare for them”

    well, last time i checked, it took two to make a child….why does the federal government not go after the dead beat fathers who leave their children? How bout all the people who look down on welfare moms? What about the welfare dads?
    For the assumption that “I think i’m entitled to it” that is not the case. I am happy and thankful for the assistance I receive (mostly funded by the middle class, who are getting screwed, while the rich *and i mean people who are in the top tax brackets* get tax cuts up the wazoo and make money off those who work minimum wage jobs that help continue the cycle of poverty).
    Trans-generational welfare class…..you mean the historically poor? I for one was not to blame for being born to drug addicted parents who could not raise children let alone teach them to be self sufficient adults…but I overcame that like many others in my situation…..with the HELP OF WELFARE. that is my point. take it away and we will have a larger problem of starving children.
    And for the government being broke……we can increase rev. (By making the wealthy pay the same tax RATE the middle class has ) and decrease spending by addressing the larges programs….notably defense and health care….(any social programs, as well as gov. jobs make up about 12% of the budget btw). If i remember correctly, we had a surplus under Clinton, and a skyrocketing increase in deficit under Both bushes and a Reagan…….and ppl want to have those who created the deficit fix it?

    Really, nowhere in my rant did I imply that “people need to pay me more”… I am grateful for my assistance, and have tried my whole life to not need it, LIKE MOST people in the system. My point is that we should NOT cut a program that helps so many people, while keeping tax cuts for the wealthiest and tax breaks for the largest corporations. Maybe they should do that first, instead of this robin-hood in reverse mentality.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    “also if you cannot speak English then sorry, no support. If you cannot communicate in English to apply for a job or do a job then I suggest you go back to the cesspool of a country you came from”
    Deaf people sign….ASL, which is NOT English. Ohhh and she is part Mexican too, should she go to her great grandfathers homeland? (wait…that was Arizona) hmmm….
    I like how you assume i am a drug addict or an illegal because i disagree with you. Sadly, your assumption is wrong.
    Nowhere in my comment did i state that i cant work because my child is Deaf……who should re-read who’s comment now…lol

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Yep, it is a personal decision. :)

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    So what’s your point, are you still on welfare and continuing the tradition? The “rich ” as you refer to will be the small business owners not the ubber rich that you want to go after. People like Buffet and Gates are taxed on their dividends not income. They have enough tax shelters that they avoid massive taxes, so stick to the small business people. No it’s not your fault your parents were drug addicts, but maybe if the monthly checks were not rolling in on the backs of taxpayers, maybe they would have had to make the choice, starve or go the rehab and clean up.
    People like you love the play the victim card, and I work in health care and see it all too often. If you can walk your butt into a welfare office, then you can walk into a McDonald’s or some other place and fill out a job application, or you obviously have a PC and internet connection (probably on our dime too) go online and apply for jobs.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    I understand that you have a lot of energy, but a lot of your info is incorrect. Let me start with this one. Clinton gave us a surplus. I am going to recommend this article because it is well laid out and goes over the salient features. Take time to read it. Google Craig Steiner and the myth of the Clinton surplus.
    BTW, I don’t know where you get the idea that the middle class pay more percentage wise that the so called upper class but if you will look at the tax rates, I don’t believe that this is born out.Now if you are fussing bout GE- speakto Obama. He seems to be a big fan of crony capitalism.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Its a sad day when people assume the worst of others instead of trying to see the best.
    i stated before, RECENT college graduate…alas im stuck in the predicament that most my generation are in……cant find a job cuz they are cutting programs in my field (which is environmental regulation fyi)..and who is to say im not at the library?

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    “…why does the federal government not go after the dead beat fathers who leave their children? ”
    I believe this is not a federal issue. This would be a state issue.

    On a practical level there are probably multiple reasons. Some of the young women are pretty passive on this issue. Or they don’t want the “baby daddy” in the picture. Some have had multiple partners and have no idea who “baby daddy” is. ( I hate that term) Many times baby daddy is in jail or back in Mexico or had no gainful employment ( except meth dealing.) Some daddies are never going to have gainful employment. Many of these fellows are pretty low achievers and expect the government to support them.Hence the welfare circle.

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    Then LEARN ENGLISH. You are a typical liberal victim mentality who wants taxpayers to support you because you think you are entitled. Sign language is in english if choosen, you can sign in any language, and if your child is deaf I suggest you teach the child to sign in English also.

  • dontlikeliberalsatall

    angrywelfaremom, you just prove the point…we’re tired of paying for your bad decisions.

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    Then pay for it yourself

  • AngryWelfareMom

    You are so misinformed in this topic that its sad. English Sign Language is not a language but a manually coded english system that is different at any school the child attends. ASL is a language with all the linguistic properties and form. Most Deaf people are bilingual (sign in ASL read in English) look it up before commenting on something you seem to know very little about.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    $5,000 rims on $4 cars, $200 dollar tennis shoes, 4G cell phones, cable TV complete with large screen HD-TV, mouths full o’ bling, and no visible means of support. Can’t pay for their own insurance, but they have all of the above and we’re paying for it, and have been doing so since the demoncrats figured out that welfare recipients will vote to keep the demoncrats their jobs. The ONLY way to change this “culture” (and, I’m using that term tongue-in-cheek) is to just cut the water supply off.

    They’ll find work, or crime. And, before some bleeding heart, brainless liberal starts screaming “Racist,” take a look at today’s white youth; they’re emulating the freeloading culture of the blacks. Where do you think they’re learning it? They’re your kids, folks. Hope you’re proud, America! It only took 50 years to bring it down all for some high-minded liberal idea.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    oh i hate that term myself. It is sad that so many demonize the mother but forget about the “baby daddy” issue in the cycle as well. you make a good point

  • AngryWelfareMom

    steryotype syndrome?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    Well, here is my free alternative for proceedures to keep women from getting pregnant: STOP HAVING IRRESPONSIBLE SEX!!!!!!! Or a box of condoms is about $12.50.

    But more importantly I applaud your hard work in getting a degree. That’s truely great… homestly. But there are a lot of people out there that cause this animosity against “welfare queens and kings.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    AngryWelfareMom: You need a healthy dose of ownership. You are responsible for yourself. No one else is!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    It does take two to make a child. But the last time I checked, darned near 100% of the population knows that the final word in having sex comes down to the woman. So if a girl’s out there thinking about having irresponsible sex, maybe they should use some responsible decision making and realize if they couldn’t afford to take care of a child on their own.

    I’m pretty sure those people who are $250k+ earners are taxed, what… 36% or so. I’m taxed around 25%. And I do believe (I dated one for a short time) a single mom is at about -10%. This girl got back $4000 and hardly paid anything in FICA. Yea!!! How fair is that???

  • AngryWelfareMom

    I agree, people need to stop having irresponsible sex…we have a population issue in this country as it is. that is a whole different argument in itself…
    Yes, there are alot of people causing this animosity towards welfare recipients, but the vast majority of them are hard working people trying to get a better life. Its sad that most people who oppose the welfare system only look at the neg. but not the positive side of the program. That is one of the reasons i chose the name “angrywelfaremom”. I try everyday to break the steryotype.

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    What are you bitching about, hell you got us paying for your kid to sign bi-lingual. Go back to the Huffington Compost where they will feel sorry for you. Here if you want sympathy, look it up in the dictionary, you’ll find it between shit and Syphilis.

    You know the welfare system quite well don’t you. My suggestion is keep your legs closed or get your tubes tied and shut the hell up.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    And for the government being broke……we can increase rev. (By making the wealthy pay the same tax RATE the middle class has

    Now I am sure you know what the various tax rates are-federally speaking. What would you like the raise the tax rates to on small business owners ?( who are considered “the wealthy”) How much of their earned money do you wish the government to take by fiat to fund their absurd programs? ( Yes, there are a lot of absurd fed programs. Just look at the so called stimulus program.)Do you wish to take away 60-70 80% of their earned income? With state taxes, you might be able to make them poor or they could quit working so hard because their taxes are becoming confiscatory. And you know there is never enough as regards the fed government. They can alway make more and more programs and increase the amount of spending. The deficit climbs higher and higher and raising taxes wouldn’t fund fedzilla for a week.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    wow… Yes, that’s exactly what LeAnn meant…

  • barbs1

    I would say just getting married would not solve the problem, but marriage is important, better if they married someone with a job. If you need assistance fine, FOR AWHILE, but as I have said many times before, I do not like financing others lives. Don’t mind helping out though.I also think people on welfare should have to work, having a daycare within the welfare system would be a good idea. Some of the recipiants could work there, while others could afford to get a job outside the system, and maybe even be subsidized by welfare if they didn’t get quite enough to live on. When we had a program similar to that here, instead of saying a job well done thanks for trying they took some of the money back. That made things worse. It made it hard for people to work at the kind of work they qualified for so they just gave up. They couldn’t afford to work & pay childcare even if they wanted to.

  • Goodforall

    Well said! All other countries who have welfare programs require the recipients work for their checks-amazing what it does to encourage them to find regular work! No more free rides!

  • Dustoff

    And that means what? You can read right?
    So I must assume your our your child are not form here? (illegal maybe)

  • Dustoff

    I would like to add a few words…. The current system is designed to punish those individuals who try to get out of the poverty cycle. At one time, TANF was available for persons who tried to attend
    *****************************************
    I would ALSO like to add. The dem party (people you vote for) set the program up that way.

    WOW shocking isn’t it.

  • Dustoff

    well, last time i checked, it took two to make a child….why does the federal government not go after the dead beat fathers who leave their children.
    **************************************
    Because many won’t tell who the father is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    Wod, I applaud your work ethic man. It’s folks like you that will get back on their feet faster and be stronger in the end.

    But I think Kurt may be talking about those folks who spend 99 weeks on unemployment because they just can’t seem to find a job that is dignified enough for them. Do what you can to work, it’s about more than just cash… it’s about the dignity you feel getting ready to work and contribute to society.

    I am a federal contractor and I’m sweating my job right now with all the cutbacks. But I have three jobs lined up if things go south.

  • monizame

    keep your legs crossed baby..it takes two..right..but only one to open those legs …..you are owed nothing…PARASITE>>>

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Right, im looking for sympathy….sure. I thought this was a place to have debate and talk about issues, not attack others. Guess i was wrong.
    I guess using life experience and common sense was important in debate.
    Any who, last time i checked, i funded my own education in Sign language so that i may teach my child…because the system here cannot accommodate her. And how i look at it, When i am off the system, and paying a boat load in taxes, those taxes will help someone else in this kind of predicament.
    Very nice, attack the person, not the issue. Classy.

  • Dustoff

    we have a population issue in this country
    ___________________________________________
    No we don’t. What we have are people would don’t give a zip about laws. Do what they want, when they want. And expect everyone to pay for it.

    It’s not my fault.
    BULL.

  • monizame

    or many dont know who the father is

  • Dustoff

    OK fine…. now add the second part you foolish lib’s always leave out.
    (return to the Clinton levels of spending) which the REP forced him to live by!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    What I feel isn’t hate. I feel animosity. I’ve worked since I was 14 (a mechanic in my friend’s father’s bowling alley) and no one ever asked me if they could give my hard-earned money to someone who didn’t feel like working. I’m not talking about those who bust their behind every day to drag themselves into a better situation. I’m talking about those who decide they don’t want to work, be irresponsible and leech off the government. We simply can’t pay for it.

  • Dustoff

    Then STOP asking me to pay for it. Make the jerk who jumped into the bed with you , If you can remember who that was.

  • barbs1

    I see another problem here, so if you want to have se x out of wedlock that is ok, but it is not ok for me to say– don’t have se x out of wedlock cause I don’t want to pay for the child you shouldn’t have had in the first place & by the way I do not believe in abortion. Se x is not an entitlement either!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    There was an article in our local paper about a woman in Detroit who some liberal journalist found to boo hoo for her. She said she had a 27 year-old disabled son she was taking care of. Ok, that is truely unfortuneate. But that man gets disability. I was tolerating the article until in one of the last paragraphs, the woman is quoted as saying that they won’t be able to take a vacation if the EIC is stopped. WHAT!?!?!?!? If you are complaining about being poor, don’t spend money on going to the beach for a week. Sorry…

  • cliff2008

    Your ideas make way too much sense for anyone in DC to consider.

  • Caveman101

    Sorry Emily, you are so cute when you are being gullible (just like the rest of us); Obama does not have to “give us more specifics”. The press created a false aura around a totally unqualified candidate and will back him come hell or high water. This whole thing about really comes down to a failure of the American press. Conservatives and republicans get held accountable for perceived hypocrises, and Barney Frank causes the death of 400,000 children worldwide and walks. Point being no one in the press establishment will hold Obama’s lack of meaningful leadership accountable as we slide into decline. The shame is Obama could probably win election handily IF he knuckled down and made the tough decisions, but them again the dems don’t even know what they are.

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    Classy is what you want, no sorry honey you came here to whine because the evil republicans want to cut the welfare program. When Clinton ( you know the one you idolize) signed welfare reform put forth by the “evil” GOP congress and senate, and guess what, people had to get off their butts and work. No sounds like someone in your family is illegal, so you attack people who are sick and tired of paying for people who come here illegally, refuse to learn the language, yet demand the same if not better benefits than someone who came here legally or was born here worked their butts off, paid into the system, and yet watch their tax dollars being wasted on people who refuse to assimilate. Just because your childs Dad is Mexican and probably illegal doesn’t entitle you to bleed taxpayers. Do you work? You stated earlier you never said you didn’t work, well you never said you did either. Yes no sympathy is a fact, you wanted people to feel bad for you while you whined about you being an angrywelfaremom. How about being a college student mom, or work and go to school mom, not a leaching off of my tax money mom. A lot of us here worked full time, went to college and raised a child or children and didn’t ask for a dime from the taxpayers, what’s your story? You want a healthy debate, then whats your story, are you illegal, your kid, or your old man illegal? Well, well, you want to debate, then tell me why I should pay for someone who broke the law? GO sneak into Mexico and demand welfare, and all the other stuff illegals get here, and if you live through a Mexican prison, come back and let us know how that worked out for you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    Anyone remember when gas hit $4.50 a few years ago and all the Dems said how it was Bush’s fault? You don’t hear a peep about Obama in reference to fuel prices now. Not saying that it’s a President’s fault per-say. Just piggy-backing on Caveman’s point on how Obama is the media’s (except Fox News most of the time) golden boy.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Well, the only people in my family who can not speak english are my great grandmother (an Italian i might add), and my daughter. As for her father, he is an american of hispanic decent who’s family have always been from the USA (longer then most white Americans i might add). This silly assumption that i “must not be from here” because i do not have the same views as you are sad. What is your story, you think because you may be better then me because you never had to rely on the charity of others? Does the bible not say to love your neighbor and to help those in need?
    Just because I feel that some members of society need help does not mean i must be illegal. Most people on the welfare system are white people who’s family have been here for generations…..the next thing you’ll say is that, since i dont think the same as you do, i should leave the country…..however it is those who have a different viewpoint should be the ones to stay…to better change that system that is soo wrong.
    I came here to debate and attempt to dispute the misconception that many on your side of the argument have against us who have had to rely on the welfare system. I mean, come on…you really assume most people want to live on the charity of others, depending on the political whims of specific parties and not have enough money to buy toilet paper?
    ~American, welfare mom, single mom, college student, full time job seeker, political activist, sad scourge on humanity…..got any more labels to judge me with?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    We’re quickly moving from “Land of the Free” to “Land of the Free Stuff”

  • Caveman101

    Hey Scott watch the color crap: “golden”, green, or anything else. But seriously the game is to blame the president: Bush, Obama (although admittedly an easy target) and yet the dems in Congress and the bureaucrats run us off a cliff. The press seems to enjoy “the game” of politics more than substance. Hopeless.

  • cliff2008

    Unfortunately the stereotype can not be broken when there is such a large percentage that are correctly described by it. Having been in the system & apparently having bettered yourself (even if it isn’t apparent in this economy), you may be able to provide insights to ways to improve the system to a more hand-up orientation than the current hand-out. Barb1 (above) had a nice post to this end. Good luck in your job hunting quest.

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    Well how are you trying to break the cycle? Are you going to college, do you work? You say people lable you, yet you refuse to answer questions. Sorry to burst your bubble but more minorities are on welfare (at least before Obama) than whites as you call them.
    Answer my questions, are you still on welfare? How are you breaking the cycle? You accuse me of labeling you, well answer my questions then. Don’t throw Bible versus at me, you know you are suppose to teach a man to fish, not just give him fish, are you aware of that? No you want to bleed taxpayers and the so-called “evil” rich. It use to be people who worked flipping burgers didn’t look at it as dead end, they looked at it as opportunity, so whats your story? I cleaned people’s houses while going to college, and also cleaned office buildings, so whats your story once again. You don’t want lables, well answer questions.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Abortion is not funded by federal tax dollars. People pay to kill their unborn out of pocket.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Born to shitty parents, malnourished and cold during the Reagan years, grew up and got knocked up by a self centered narcissist, had child, went to college, worked and collected welfare at the same time, graduated and now looking for work……need anymore? want to know if i was raped or not? want to know how i never touched any kind of drug or did any illegal activity? To break the cycle (which is very very hard to do) i need to finish the last step, find employment. Welfare was key to this end, because without, we would be cold, hungry and stealing burgers from whatever crap joint i worked at, getting fat and causing more health problems because the only place i could afford to live is a shitty apartment with black mold that the slum lord would not fix.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JKYECDK63I2B3CFZHKW2VRAAA Richard

    The picture above says it all…no one looks undernourished. They look like grifters and couch potatoes.

  • al003

    You have it right.
    Elect a fool and you get foolish government.
    If we really want to reform Welfare and raise the employment rate we need to do two basic things.
    #1 Quit hiring Welfare workers. Think about it. We actually have incentives for Welfare workers to find more welfare recipients. It is called workload. Every person working in welfare has a number of people to service. When they break that number, the agency has to hire another welfare worker because of the Union Rules. And now, we actually have Welfare Helpers from AmeriCorp. These young people are the next group of Welfare workers. And according to Union Rules every so many workers and there must be a management person. Now multiply this by 77 different Welfare interconnecting groups and you have the Obama voting army.
    #2 Change the employment stat. Start approving the waiting list of Oil, Natural Gas and Coal permits to drill, dig and refine. Start approving the waiting list of Nuclear Power Plants, start approving the waiting list of Gas powered Electric Generating Plants. Start approving the upgrading of existing Refineries.

    Obama and his Czars are the problem — Need I say more. These Clowns are the people who are destroying this Nation. And guess what? It is by design. No one could make this many mistakes in a year and a half, not even Obama.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    and no, the statistics (and census data) shows that more “white” people are on welfare- it just so happens that a higher percentage of minorities are on it

  • Guest

    How many welfare queens filed for chapter 11?
    How many times did a Donald Trump corporation follow that route?
    Shouldn’t we reduce government by eliminating corporate welfare?
    Clifford Spencer

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    In reply to AngrywelfareMom

    Then move to where jobs are. In this day and age people have to be somewhat nomadic to go where work is. So blame Reagan for your shitty upbrininging. You have the victim mentality and want to blame others for your situation. If all you can afford is a rat infested apartment, then move somewhere cheaper. I’m sure you have an excuse for that too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JKYECDK63I2B3CFZHKW2VRAAA Richard

    So what is your point? You want a free ride?
    My wife and I had six kids, four of which graduated from college…without gov loans or any outside assistance. Neither of us ever missed work or collected unemployment. We worked hard and shouldered OUR responsibilities quite well….and one child was “mentally” challenged.
    We applied self-reliance, self-responsibility and the old saying. “When the going gets tough, the TOUGH get going.”
    So shut up and get going! Crybabys are NOT welcome here.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    ugh, like talking to a brick wall. Do i blame anyone? no! have i, no! i stated before, and will again for you fools who cannot read my message; Welfare helps people, dont get rid of it. People like me, through no fault of their own, needed it at one point or another and am almost out of the cycle due to the assistance i received. do not take that opportunity away from those who need it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    If the shoe fits. Tell me, truthfully, do you own a cell phone? Have cable? Bling? If so, you are, and probably have been, living beyond your means. Live within them and you will have an easier time of it.

  • Sweetrae aka: LeAnn

    Nobody is saying getting rid of it. There are serious abusers of it. UG what you don’t get is we are sick of paying for generations of welfare recipients, and illegals, and people who would rather sell drugs and be gang bangers than earn an honest living. You equate welfare reform to totally getting rid of it. Welfare is not an opportunity, it’s a hand up not a hand out and too many people think it’s owed to them, and that they should collect cradle to grave. I see the abuse of welfare and medicaid working in health care, it makes me sick and angry.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    tell that to Bush when he gave tax cuts and started an unfunded war

  • jmortensen

    I think he was talkiing about Illegal immigrants.. Not American Citizens with a handicap.. Why would having a handicpped Child deem it necessary to be on welfare///

  • AngryWelfareMom

    Hmm considering my bf (who does not live with me btw) pays for my cellphone, and i dont have cable….i guess that gift is living out of my means…
    well, enough of this idle chatter, im going to eat my steak and lobster and bake me some welfare cookies with my foodstamps. (that is a joke people, just to let me point that out)
    What the hell is bling anyways…lmfao

  • justinwachin

    I think we need welfare reform on both ends of the spectrum. An attempt should be made to help the poor gain the work skills needed to become self-sufficient. The system should be changed to help these people financially as they are making the transition from the public dole to the workplace roll.

    We need to eliminate corporate welfare. The rich should be able to survive with what they already own.

    By going after corporate welfare the Republicans may draw less criticism of being against the poor.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PQQU7AHCVZ4BUGCJ2Y62DFLRVA Mark

    Brings to mind that famous LBJ quote containing the words “voting” and “years” when he was devising this “Great Society”. This was by design folks. It’s all about Democrats keeping minorities in their perceived place by barely keeping them alive (and voting Democrat of course).

  • oldphardt

    What country do all you bitter people live in ? In my America,we have always been a generous nation and we have always been willing to try to help those less fortunate than ourselves. YES, there are problems with all government systems but that is not to say that a lot of good is being done. The problem we have is that there are too many now content to do nothing to help themselves and these leeches drag all people down with them – and, there are some who really try to better themselves.

    So, stop all the rancor – do what you can to help people who are really trying and don’t slather your scurrulous garbage over everyone – there are some good people out there who can be helped and who will become good, honest tax-paying citizens once given the change.

    Try to encourage those who are trying – they are worthy of support.

    No, I’m not on welfare, I am an 80 year old veteran who has never taken one cent of welfare, disability, unemployment, workman’s comp or any other public dole. I hold my head up high, I salute the flag , I pay my bills and I will do all that I can do to help others realize the real ( pre-Obama ) American dream.

    I also find that swimming in the gutter can only make you smell like the gutter – seek better things – they are out there if only you will look.

    Now, go and have yourself a positive and productive life.

  • AngryWelfareMom

    I am not saying that it does not happen, and people never abuse the system. I do not stick my head in the sand and ignore that part of it. my point is that most do not, and the few are stereotyping the majority who need it, for what ever reason.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NZ1JVjE4toGKNnrUu1rpAIUadz_ZXWlGcJI.UhDcO35x03w-#37966 Haironfire

    ” I came here to debate and attempt to dispute the misconception that many on your side of the argument have against us who have had to rely on the welfare system.”

    I actually think you are doing fine in your debate/discussion. I do understand both sides. I do understand that the welfare system needs immense reform. I do understand that not everyone using welfare is being a “moocher” or whatever.
    But it is tiresome to hear the eat the rich, tax the rich crapola all the time. When people use the welfare system, it doesn’t seem appropriate to rage on about how they need to pay more and more.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PQQU7AHCVZ4BUGCJ2Y62DFLRVA Mark

    Tell me CW, when’s the last time a poor person gave you a job ?

  • Dons621

    You may be right BUT how do you get it threw to 4 and 5 generation Welfare people that the Government does not owe them a living THEY have to EARN it. THE DEMOCRATS want as many Stupid, lazy drug users, Mal-contempts to vote for them.

    Recall the Republican Senators and Congress Now that they went back on their word, stop them from deserting us in the future. Start with the ones with the longest time in, as they have probably voted against the American people and will do it again to save their ASSES. barry can control them with exposure any time he wants. Take them out and he loses that power. By forming Recall groups will get their attention that we mean DO YOUR JOB OR GET OUT.

  • another_engineer

    You wanna get a huge sector of the population back to work or at least working full time? Hit it from both ends of the spectrum.

    GET RID OF ILLEGALS and STOP the H1B program. As an engineer I work for a company that hires 40% H1B’s from India, China and the Middle east, and it’s all for two reasons. Train them in the “american way” over here for when you move them to their home country, and get tax credits for not hiring a white male US citizen.

  • another_engineer

    You sir are full of crap. You obviously haven’t been keeping up on your news of the thousands of people applying for low wage jobs that were formerly given only to illegals. You should go move down to crawford with Jorge or Visit your like minded goons in Chicago. We WILL do anything. Problem is, US citizens have been considered lower than dog sheet for over 10 years.

  • grct

    A simple way to cut down on the welfare rate would be to eliminate the right to vote after being on public assistance for a given number of years, if no legitimate attempt to work was made. It is unfair that someone who only takes from the system has the same vote as someone who contributes to it.

  • indio59indio

    To AngryWelfareWoman: tell us what you did to get the father of your child to participate in paying for some of the expenses…….thank you.

  • http://professionalseowriter.com/ Beth Parker

    Anyone who wants to work, can? I really wish that were true. It took my husband almost a year to get a job, and he was applying for everything he could find. He was willing to take anything, even the most menial minimum-wage job, but no one would hire him. There is a lot of competition for every job because there are a lot of people looking for work. And sadly, it seems that most fast food and other minimum-wage employers would rather hire young adults who still live at home and don’t really need the money than a hard-working, middle-aged man who is trying to support his family.

  • paintinc56

    Is this “welfare reform” going to be like the last welfare reform? That worked out great! My sister is a social worker in Spokane, Wa., mostly “white”, lower income city. The state is run by Democrats, you know, the “compassionate” party. People on welfare DISABILITY had their benefits cut by half, a disabled couple went from $428 a month to $198. There is no more dental care available to them, the only thing covered is extractions. Finding a real doctor that takes Medicaid is nearly impossible, the clinics & mental health system are a joke. Christine Gregoire is the governor & she was explaining that these cuts had to be made because the voters voted down the tax on soda & other grocery items. However there were NO CUTS made to the benefits of ILLEGAL ALIENS because they are federally protected from state cuts. Welfare reform is GREAT, it should get those that can work off the dole & help those who truly can’t. It should NOT cover those here ILLEGALLY nor their children. It seems like the only ones who suffer when these reforms go through are the people who truly need help, I hope it will be different this time.

  • HOO

    Hannity/Limbaugh Fallacy #2

    FALLACY: That GOP leaders KNOW WHAT TO SAY in battling and defeating America’s first Communist delusional President, they are just afraid to say it.

    FACT: It requires a sophisticated Mind to grasp the sickness of Obama’s mind. To be able to articulately describe his lies, distortions, inconsistencies, megalomania, delusions, racial paranoia, racism, grandiosity, heartlessness, and amorality requires one to lose the FEAR of accusations of racism. That person must be willing to address Obama’s mind and recognize that limiting the debate to how many xillions of dollars “should” be allocated to this or that government boondoggle is beside the point and will never be a determining factor in voters’ decisions. Limiting the debate to the “issues” and avoiding talking about Obama the person LEGITIMIZES this madman. The national GOP appears to simply lack the brainpower to take on this sick but clever man.

  • harrydweeks

    Take a look at the stats as to how many jobs are still unfilled in most states. What does this tell you …..???????

  • paintinc56

    Where is the provision that NO AMERICAN TAX $$ will be given to ILLEGALS happily sucking off of OUR welfare system? The 14th amendment has been bastardized to give auto citizenship to the children of ILLEGALS born in the U.S., that was never the intention. It was to guarantee citizenship to slaves. By using it in this manner we are overwhelming our entitlerment system & collapsing our economy. All of Europe does not do this because they know it would encourage illegal immigration & destroy their social programs. Why are we doing it? Cloward & Piven, Saul Alinsky, Barack Obama, overwhelm the system so you can collapse it & replace it with Socialism. Not sure why the Repubs are on board with it, the Hispanics will vote for the free candy party everytime. Since they have 3 times as many children as LEGAL, U.S. citizens do the Demonrats are ensuring their party will rule until the system is collapsed which shouldn’t be too much longer. There is no welfare reform until we quit giving citizenship to ILLEGALS!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    I suggest reading his book before you think Dubyah wasn’t correct in the decision he made with the intel available. I was surprised and had to change my mind about the course of action we have taken.

    Now, how about that INSURANCE reform his obummerness is trying to kill this country with? Now THERE’S a complete affront to this country’s economy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    Then you are in the minority within your strata. The majority of welfare recipients I’ve had to deal with HAVE the cell phone (blue toothed to permanently to their ears, socializing during work hours), wore the expensive shoes, had the bling (gold nail tips, expensive watches, diamond earrings – the guys! – in both ears, thick gold necklaces, etc…), and many had their cars phat with rims. Oh! Almost forgot, their TVs were chocked full o’ premium cable channels, too. Heard a lot of ‘em discussing their favorite shows on HBO & Showtime, that’s how I know this.

    I’ve had to supervise welfare-to-work “victims.” They showed their resentment every single day they’d manage to show up to work, saying things like “…it’s too early to be up…” and “…it was easier to just get my check and go one ’bout my bizness…” and (and, this is my favorite when you’d catch a black male hitting on yet another female during working hours for about the ninth time in any given shift) “…’course I’m working, I clocked in didn’t I?”

    My company (and, it’s MINE) will not “celebrate” the “advantages” of diversity. We do not recognize contradictions in terms as any sort of “advantage” for diversity’s sake. The truth is, there are not many black scientists available to choose from (a science degrees is harder to get than a liberal arts degree. Those that do surface, and participate in our temp-to-hire program, wash out due to a lack of detail AND their infernal “one speed – SLOW” approach to their respective work loads. That inability to compete successfully with their non-minority cohorts costs them their job every time. It’s astonishing to watch. And, a shame.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PQQU7AHCVZ4BUGCJ2Y62DFLRVA Mark

    Another ignorant smarmy comment from a lib troll with such a cute but oh so misleading moniker.

    GFY (sideways). How’s that for intolerance.

  • ConcernedCitizenHilton

    “I try everyday to break the steryotype.”[sic]

    Yeah, you’re doing such a great job. LOL

    I have noticed that you have already spent 2 hours of a workday having this discussion instead of looking for work?

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    There are consequences for personal decisions. There is also abstinence, birth control, (free, I might add). Abortion should be the furthest from the mind, but if you choose that route, pay for it yourself.

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    Well said, barbs1! There’s NO EXCUSE for IRRESPONSIBLE SEX! Good Grief, they should take responsibility and prevent unwanted pregnancy instead of killing. Unbelievable and worthless!

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    It is by design..hates this country and all it stands for!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    Maybe you oughta check in with his obummerness on corporate welfare. Looks like all his cronies that ponied up their coin didn’t pay much in taxes, either. Jayzus!!! Talk about a two-faced, arrogant lying bastard? I give you the POTUS! Slime personified…

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    None of what was said in these comments was directed at tax-paying, job-holding, productive, upstanding, too-proud-for-handouts, personally responsible persons, or you. Positive and productive is what EVERYONE should be. I hope your comment was not to admonish the people who promote, through their comments, the very attributes you are (and rightfully so) proud of.
    And thank you for your military service.

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    THAT would get results!

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    “redistributing the wealth upwards”???? They EARNED it!

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    VERY well said!

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    Only you know if the shoe fits..if not, the comments are not directed at you and there is no need to defend yourself..period!

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    If Welfare is reformed, and if, you still qualify as “needing it”, you will continue to get it.

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    You’re so right..but America’s spirit will prevail, just lots of hard choices to make to get there. And it isn’t hate, it’s tough love.

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    Be sure to vote to oust the job-killing guy in the WH in 2012! That’s what it’s going to take!!!!

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    Excellent post!

  • http://disqus.com rosie right

    Great post!!!!

  • Guest

    You mean Standard and Poor is really a Democrat stalking horse?
    Wall Street is really for Obama and not Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh , Trump or Palin?
    Clifford Spencer

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    Research the amounts of money contributed by the Wall Street-types of this country and you’ll find they contributed w-a-a-y more to fueling the election of this administration than to McCain’s.

    Standard and Poor HAS to be objective. They’re not here to sugar coat anything. According to BBC, Obummer actually tried to convince S&P that he had a plethora of political maneuvers up his kilt that would help the country avoid what is obviously starting to head our way. He’s either deluded or deluding us. My bet is it’s the latter. Destruction of our free market economy is EXACTLY what that little bastard socialist wants.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Bolster/1025050515 Scott Bolster

    Dude, I hope you’re joking about insinuating that my calling Obama the media’s “golden” boy was a racist statement. I hope so. During Bush’s presidency, every thing he did, no matter insignificant, was put under the microscope and criticized. Only until recently has the media started taking issue with Obama.

  • Guest

    I agree that Wall Street is trying to destroy our free enterprise system.
    They tried the same stunt when they called FDR a socialist.
    Wall Street really wants one of theirs.
    It wants another Herbert Hoover!
    Clifford Spencer

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R67EVZNS72UD2XOWZCBE57BVCQ WILLIAM

    I am wondering why you need birth control with all the
    other problems you have.Why dont you stop screwing ??
    Do you feel that taxpayers should provide pills because
    you cant control yourself.Really I understand food medicine
    help with rent etc but screwing you want people to pay for it
    so you dont get pregnant.Thats over the line dont you think ?

  • CanaStorm

    Please read Dreams of my father, by obama, he says right out he hates caucasians/white people, and much more, Please don’t buy it, to fill his pockets, borrow it from the library please. And he was born in Mombasa, Kenya , thats in Africa if you didn’t happen to know, it ain’t some island off the coast. watch http://www.protectourliberty.org please. And as for welfare, there is one caseworker for every so called nut case, who isn’t a nut case, because franklin d roosevelt was a bi polar and had polio and was also epeleptic . And winston churchill was bi polar, and so was hitler. So the caseworkers need to be dropped for every nut case. And the caseworkers victimize people from ages of people in babyhood, they have parents. They don’t need pre school or caseworkers. And they are among the veterans, and the everyone out of work gangs, and the youth gangs, and the oldsters gangs, and there are so many because; remember about in the 70s, America wanted to gentrify itself, and get every idiot into college, to be an educated idiot, And no one would ever work in a mill again, and the mills left. The shoe factorys left, the toboggan factory left, the tanning hide leather factory left, the spinning mills for wool, and the spinning mills for cotton for those wonderful 100 percent cotton sheets. Everything left for some other damn country, and now America has no work, and nafta went in, thank you bill the clinton , and the mexicans have no work either. Both side of the border got screwed. And it all was george herbert walker bush and rockerfella and clinton who i believe did it all in the dark of the night. Work fled america. So now get rid of the caseworkers, and let them scrub floors for the wealthy. They make the low income worse off, because they keep adding more people who don’t need them to their lists to victimize. In the meantime, have a Happy Easter.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BTJ7KL2BAI7R5JNJSPD75PLSYQ Cliff

    Amen, Brother!

  • georgerobinson

    There exist way too many variables to make a flat out statement but no government program ever works as intended. All but one of my children have graduated from college, because my house is large and they are nicer than me I have housed virtually every variable for a time. Rehab programs only keep counselors employed–the girls never ask for money and still get abortions–the ones who really might benefit because they have a baby and got serious–never qualify. Fathers never pay support then fight over who gets a deduction. I would not go so nuts over so many things but I have never seen anything WORK…