Social & Domestic Issues

Union Liberticide From Wisconsin to France

As with many of my conservative views, they are positions to which I ascended.  I didn’t come fully loaded with them as I shot completely assembled into life.  The same holds true for my views on unions.

Growing up in Canada with teacher parents, I found walking the picket line with them and their teacher union comrades to be refreshing outdoor exercise and a welcome avoidance of intellectual pursuit.  That was when I was about 7.  My views of unions have since evolved due to various experiences and analysis foisted upon me by adulthood.  A few teachers in Wisconsin seem to have avoided a similar mugging, and currently find themselves fighting the state to maintain a pension that, according to the Wall Street Journal, represents about three quarters of their salaries as opposed to one quarter for private sector workers.  The yearly social and health benefits nearly equal their annual salaries.

How exactly does one justify that kind of entitlement?  How much of a raving narcissist must you be to be that far out of step with your market value?  I realize that teachers are “priceless” and that you “can’t put a price on mo(u)lding the minds of youth,” but even the priest who has just delivered the “word of God” (a pretty important job, one would think) only gets what he can score from the collection plate after he delivers the goods.  If it’s not falling from the sky for him, then you can’t expect it either.

As an independent worker, I only expect to be paid for what I produce—nothing less, nothing more.  It’s a direct, straightforward exchange of production for compensation.  Teachers and other union members may think that they’re better off unionized, but what about this:  What if every teacher were capable of negotiating his own contract with his school board in accordance with his value?  Teachers who were in higher demand due to their expertise or performance, or who put in more extracurricular hours, would be free to negotiate a higher pay independent from that of their colleagues.  The biggest complaint I’ve heard from hardworking teachers is how they break their backs coaching sports teams and grading papers from dawn till dusk while earning the same salary as the seat-heater down the hall who clocks out at 3 p.m. and gets the kids to grade each other’s work in—class.  Worse, if she holds the school’s gold medal in the seat-warming Olympics by reason of sheer longevity, just try dislodging that same permanent fixture if think you’d like to try teaching her subject.

Sure, everyone gets gold-plated benefits in the union system, but there’s an alternative.  Working at a higher, self-negotiated rate and paying your own benefits into preexisting plans for independent workers allows greater freedom of choice in what one does with one’s own earnings.  If the compensation offered wasn’t adequate to cover independent health care costs, then the businesses would have a difficult time recruiting.  It’s not like they’d be getting a free ride, because workers would have the power to decide which businesses are worthy of their talents, and when the relationship no longer worked, they could leave.  Which brings me to my next point: vacations and leave.

Here in France, union workers often brag about how much vacation time they’ve been able to finagle out of their employers—particularly if that employer is the taxpayer, and the taxpayer is me.  Nothing makes me go ballistic faster than listening to some union hack brag over a two-hour lunch, about how he’s going to head back to his new 35-hour-a-week job of two weeks and sit there planning his eight weeks’ worth of paid vacation on my dime, in between bouts of ruining my days with various strikes and service disruptions.

Know why vacation time is so valuable for union members?  Because they hate their jobs so much that they can’t wait to escape.  Often.  But you know, that’s freedom—or so the union chiefs would have us believe.

My personal view of freedom is a little different.  It involves working about 15 hours a day, whenever and wherever I feel like it.  Sometimes I’ll even get excited about taking a 3 a.m. work call from a different time zone.  I don’t usually eat lunch because I often get so caught up in my work that I don’t even think about it.  I’m not sure when “quitting time” is because I’ve never bothered to set one.  Vacations?  I don’t typically take them, because I travel enough for work-related reasons, and that’s good enough for meeting new people and seeing the sights.  This change of scenery can also mean a tax deduction—something from which a union comrade couldn’t benefit.  If I do take a true vacation, I usually end up bringing some work along, because I love working.

In France, union-mandated liberticide of independent workers is in full force.  Journalists can’t even obtain their press cards in France unless they agree to become salaried rather than contracted, and forgo their independent status and right to negotiate independently with media bosses.  Journalists who works as “auto-entrepreneurs” (a new independent status introduced by President Sarkozy to encourage economic freedom) or worse, as self-salaried “corporations,” negotiating their own contracts, are shunned and rejected by the powerful unions that exercise full control over the awarding of professional press credentials.  So as one might imagine, there are now more than a few dangerous non-union workers threatening the very existence and raison d’etre of these unions, which derive their power purely from fear: fear that if you’re on your own, you’ll starve.  The only threat in that regard really is these unions, which have a lockdown on the entire system.

Once people realize their own talent, and ability to bargain it without any middle-man meddling, they tend to see unions as a serious obstruction to their own potential and, ironically, that of our collective potential as well.

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  • Mike_Stephens

    Thank you Rachel. You paint a clear picture that government unions have caused. I am all for private sector unions, but public sector unions are an oxymoron. They take average $800 per year to do with as they please. Most of that is to fund their activities and the politicians that write legislation favorable to them… the iron triangle. Your perspective is absolutely right on. Keep you using your mind to compete, that is what made America great but has been legislated away mostly because of these government unions. Go Scott Walker, Chris Christie and others that know that capitalism always makes the best results.

  • http://genelalor.com Gene Lalor

    FDR and Union Tyranny

    As a former, retired, teacher union member whose father was a member of a company union, I don’t in the least feel hypocritical in opposing the actions of Wisconsin teachers. Bottom line is, they’re wrong, in the extreme.

    When I began as a public school English teacher in the early 70′s in suburban Long Island, I had no intention of joining either the local or state unions. Even then, the state union was decidedly liberal and, in fact, there was a movement afoot to expunge the word, “union,” in favor of “association” in order to preserve a sense of teacher professionalism.

    “Union” won out in that debate, not that it mattered since the umbrella organization, the National Education Association, the NEA, which partners with the American Federation of Teachers, the AFT, is a de facto union, with 3.2 million members.

    In any event, during my first year I refused on principle to join the local but succumbed in my second after repeated interruptions of my class by an importuning union rep. As it turned out, I subsequently learned that the district administration, in conjunction with the union, frowned on those who didn’t join and if I hadn’t signed on I may not have had a job my third year.

    With that as preface and introduction to the current education crisis in Madison, Wisconsin and elsewhere, it’s been more than disquieting to discover that I was at least in partial agreement with the greatest liberal icon in the history of liberal icons, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

    Not that FDR was opposed to unions or collective bargaining–far from it–but he knew the inherent dangers of public employees negotiating with governments via union representatives.

    As he said, ”All government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public-personnel management. The very nature and purposes of government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with government employee organizations:” http://tiny.cc/pnwwf

    Apparently, today’s public employee unions never got that message as to the “insurmountable limitations” and the impossibility of such situations. Nor can they seem to grasp FDR’s reminder that, in collective bargaining with governments, “The employer is the whole people,” meaning that, seated on the other side of the negotiating table, are not representatives of some greedy corporation but the American public.

    Extrapolating from Roosevelt’s words, when public employee unions demonstrate and agitate and demand, they are demonstrating and agitating against “the whole people” and their demands are not being made against a mayor, governor, or president but rather against every taxpayer.

    President Ronald Reagan fully grasped the danger of acceding even to his supporters, the members of PATCO union, in 1981. Likewise, President George W. Bush perceived the inherent dangers of allowing airport security personnel to unionize after 9/11. President Barack Hussein Obama, the former neighborhood organizer, has taken positions on the side of the radical leaders of the union chaos in Wisconsin, positions that would make Reagan, Bush–and FDR–cringe.

    As someone who has been there, witnessed that, I differ, somewhat, with FDR.

    I can attest to the need for teacher associations/unions when it comes to lawfully dealing as groups with school administrations in order to win living wages and the rights of any employee. I can attest to having witnessed both administrative, and union, abuses of those employees. Finally, I can attest to the fact that most teachers, once considered virtual low men and women on society’s salary and benefit pole, have caught up in spades and now far exceed the lot of most in the private sector.

    In all equity, it’s time for some give-back by the public sector in the form of concessions to the private sector, namely, those who pay the freight. I don’t endorse an end to group representation nor to tenure without severe restrictions on administrators, who are also public employees. Historically and still today many tend to arbitrarily and unfairly exercise their power.

    However, I could never support the ongoing hate tactics by teacher demonstrators in Madison and in other locales where Obamian-Alinskyite unionistas have exceeded all bounds of civility and civilized behavior.

    How else but by sheer hate can anyone describe the documented threats against Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker? How else can we describe epithets in Columbus, Ohio such as, “The tea party is a bunch of d**k-sucking corporate butt-lickers who want to crush the working people of this country” or an attack in Denver, CO, on “a gay black tea party activist and entrepreneur who criticized teachers unions at a Capitol rally, [who] was told by white labor supporters to ‘get behind that fence where you belong?’ ” http://tiny.cc/hjjhh

    Civil service and teacher unions have gone amok. They should be pre-empted from subjugating the public to their vicious venality and from bankrupting by force the only constituency still expected to obey the law, the taxpayers.
    (http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=3744)

  • GunsandMoses

    Well presented Rachel,

    You make one think past their security zone and take a chance on themselves!

    My young son and I had an experiance with school unions here in Wa state a few years back. He was out of school for about 50 days so we did supplemental education at home and the local church as a few other parents did.

    Then after that session we would go down to the school dist. and the picket line and yell at the overpaid teacher/union telling them to ” get to work Communists” and then we would “spit on the ground” in front of them, and also we would yell at them saying ” WE wished we had your PAY and benefits”!

    My son was only 7 yrs old I hope I taught him well in civics class 101.

    They do not teach anything about the Founding Fathers and have abolished Columbus Day and they have 1/2 day classes most every friday never a full week of class.

    I guess there overworked at 160 days a year on the job in the class room!

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-Catholic Wesley Mcgranor

    Unions need to go back on the list of orginized crime. Theft and exortion is how they operate.

  • LH2

    There is nothing unconstitutional or extra-legal about anything Governor Walker is proposing. He was elected to clean up a festering mess-not just a short term budget gap. Indeed he is probably being too generous to these overpaid ingrates complaining about their still excellent compensation during the continuing Obamanomics of 10% unemployment and catastrophic deficits. As stated before, if you don’t like the deal you are free to quit and take your irreplaceable talents elsewhere for the money and benefits you believe are your entitlement. Go look for “collective bargaining” you’re “entitled” to anywhere else. I double dare you. What you are not entitled to do is break the law by submitting fraudulent sick notes for the taxpayers to keep you paid while threatening legislators with violence or assisting in the blocking of the capitol or just running up public safety costs with your tiresome warmed-up “sixties show” that most Americans now only screen for the stupider signs and comments. The Democrat Party is hiding in Illinois…shirking its duty while the jackass is still nose in the public trough. From Obama on down….how utterly typical.

  • NateGreene

    I am constantly surprised by how teacher friends of mine either fail to understand how they can either get better compensation through individual negotiation (if they are the good to great teachers that they say they are) or fail to deal with the reality that in a real-world market they wouldn’t be considered all that great.

    One of these friends recently told me that he was all for a more “middle of the road” system, one that rewarded the better teachers and got rid of the poor ones. Then, of course, he started complaining about how to measure teacher peformance like there was no real way so the point was moot. I asked him what could be more efficient in that regard than the free market? Great teachers who go the extra mile will be seen as worth the money; those who don’t will have to get on board or get lost. He just couldn’t see it.

    I really think what it boils down to with teachers is that a genuine unwritten perk of their job, never discussed and never acknowledged (in fact actively denied) is that they don’t want to answer to their customers the way the rest of a free-market society has to. They want to be the one class of employee that gets to tell the customer, “you have no say in whether or not I am here; get used to me.” All other reforms mean nothing until you change this fundamental flaw.

    Oh, and as a last note. This same teacher friend told me how he envies me because he is never sure whether or not he will get a new contract each year while the rest of us in the private sector “have a job for life unless something bad happens.” Now how do you respond to something that stupid?

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  • Genna2

    I’ve always wondered how the best and brightest teachers – the teachers all parents want for their children – feel about being treated no differently than the mediocre teachers. It can’t be inspiring to know that no matter how hard they work and how much they excel they will be treated no differently than those teachers who do just enough to get by. Even more demoralizing is the “last in, first out” policy that determines which teachers keep their jobs when a lay-off situation arises. With no consideration to performance, some of the best and brightest teachers lose their jobs to teachers who are better suited for another profession. We don’t improve our education system by refusing to admit that not every person who is a teacher should be a teacher and by failing to motivate teachers to be the best they can be by rewarding them for being that.

    What message do teachers who are content to accept whatever unions negotiate for them send to students who will one day have to survive in a competitive world where not everyone has a union representative to fight for them? Teachers who are satisfied with the same reward all other teachers receive are not shining examples of the success and personal fulfillment that await those students who reach for the stars. Instead, they are poster children for lock-step progressive thought that views them not as individuals, but as equal and unremarkable parts of a whole, with each equal and unremarkable part deserving the same treatment as all the other equal and unremarkable parts. The truth no one wants to talk about is that unions don’t fight for the best teachers every parent wants for their child because the best teachers don‘t need anyone to fight for them. Unions fight for the barely good enough teachers that no parent wants for their child.

  • Abiss

    Great column Rachel. It’s a nit, but I DO believe you meant “Union Libtardicide” in the headline, yes?

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Oftentimes, the good teachers won’t take it, and will jump for the private sector once the first opportunity opens up. That’s a problem that has to be anticipated—possible brain drain (i.e., the real possibility that the quality teachers will leave for the private sector—unionized or not).

    BTW, in NYC, even the parochial school teachers are unionized (but under a union not NEA-affiliated).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BFOP6VGN2QHOUSGSAVONWMH4LM Don Lain

    But, but, but………………….I don’t want to work no mo……..I just want to bang on my drums all day.

  • Genna2

    You’re right. Teachers who aren’t content to get what they get move into other professions where they are paid commensurate with their skills. My dad worked in a steel mill for 40 years and dealt with the union on a daily basis. He and the union didn’t butt heads because of what his best employees did, but because of what his worst employees did. But he learned, as other management personnel do, not to mess with the unions unless it was absolutely necessary, which meant employees who shouldn’t have kept their jobs did and sometimes bad things happened as a result.

  • AgTrotter

    I’m currently watching Meet The Press. I honestly don’t know how people like Richard Trumka get to where they are in life. The guy is a pile of crap, pure and simple.

  • pwhart46

    “Worse, if she holds the school’s gold medal in the seat-warming Olympics by reason of sheer longevity, just try dislodging that same permanent fixture if think you’d like to try teaching her subject.” (Your quote.) Do you see something wrong with the grammar? Rachel you say you work 15 hours a day. If you are going to lie put some effort into it and proof read your stuff. Oh and by the way I am on the union side. The taxpayer has let themselves be screwed by the unions and therefore deserve it. Besides they are no different and given the same opportunity would just a self-righteously do the same.

  • patriot1792

    Out nation’s students continue to lag behind the rest of the world in education, yet our teachers are asking for a bigger paycheck. How long will it take for us to learn the fact that throwing money at a problem won’t fix it (the stimulus being a prime example)?

    We need to stop subsidizing stupidity.

    iamamerica-joe.blogspot.com

  • Genna2

    Liberal journalists and commentators are comparing the union protests in Madison and elsewhere to those of the anti-war protests of the 60′s as if those protests were something to be proud of. Fifty years later, the graying hippies and anti-war left still don’t understand that even those Americans who opposed the Vietnam war opposed even more the anti-American, anti-military theme of their protests, particularly when they berated and demonized those men and women who were willing to risk their lives on behalf of people who seldom felt the need to say “thank you.” Those protests made the Democratic Party the anti-war, anti-military party and from that most Americans conclude it makes them the anti-national security party.

  • Genna2

    People don’t like Richard Trumka. Democrats like Richard Trumka because he’s President of an organization that donates generously to their candidates and causes. Politicians have proven that they’ll tolerate some of the most heinous actors on the planet as long as there’s significant money attached to them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4YBX63LZDTK4U6AJAALPUS2Y5M DennisK

    Some people may have opposed the Vietnam War because it was a war that was started on more or less false grounds, used horrible tactics, and propped up a dictatorship instead of so much as attempting to forge a democracy. The war itself wasn’t American.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4YBX63LZDTK4U6AJAALPUS2Y5M DennisK

    I enjoy how conservatives are concerned about unions and ignoring Wall Street, where the economic problems started. Now they’re acting like Dodd-Franklin is a bad bill for regulating derivatives, even though they’re a big part of what caused the crash and they’re a pretty absurd concept as it is.

  • Niniane

    Who are these stupid officials who have elected to negotiate away the rights of the employer (i.e. state, municipality, etc.)? Perhaps members of AFSCME? I would call that collusion and price-fixing, which has gotten many private companies in trouble.

  • 1Mojo_Risin9

    RICO laws would be too kind to these mobbed-up schmucks!!!

  • Niniane

    What does Wall St. have to do with unions? They are a free market full of competition whose income is derived on successfully outsmarting the competition. They have a limited amount of funds with which to operate (that of investors, who do not have a gun to their heads to pour money into failing ventures.

    With unions, they have managed to position themselves above competition and resort to extortion.

  • Martin Hale

    Being someone who is internally motivated to excel, I’ve never believed that unions were anything but the refuge of those of sub-average capability who wish to cling to the coattails of those of us who can and do produce more and better quality work. In all the years I’ve dealt with unions, I’ve yet to be convinced otherwise.

    I’ve long viewed unions as part of the great drive toward mediocrity which I see as a function of mass culture. The basic principle at play is that the larger anything becomes, the more it tends to gravitate toward, or appeal to, it’s central tendency – the mean or the median. It’s really just a different way of expressing the oft-observed Bell curve – in any normal population, slightly more than two thirds of that population will be within one standard deviation of the mean along whatever dimension you’re measuring. So you play to the middle, or in other words, you aim for mediocrity.

    And unions are all about mediocrity – about being average, about fitting into the pack – it’s summed up well in the phrase “get along, go along”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I2D3GTDAIGWXY7VHZBZMLEKKEQ John Keck

    Ummm . . . could you repeat that part about the taxpayers being the victims of a predatory union? A little louder, please?

  • pwhart46

    Sure. Taxpayers who are not part of govt unions a generally payed less than the brothers in govt unions. Not only that but their tax dollars pay the salaries of the said govt union employees. This is like the boss making less than those he employees. Thus they are predators not civil servants.

  • pwhart46

    In case you need more. Union people vote for and contribute money to polticians (democrats) so that they get elected so that the politicians (democrats) can give them (govt union employees) more taxpayer dollars to enlarge their salaries and benifits. Its sort of like someone taking your money at gun point.

  • Jason Johnson

    There’s one more point to be made–Why should anyone have to pay a group of thugs and leeches for something that is rightfully theirs? Namely, the right to work and the right to sell your labor to whomever you please?

  • ghostshirt

    Fellow Conservatives, can we keep it clean here? I’m not willing to think of all public ed teachers as ‘those people.’ Until I’ve met everyone of them, I’m going to presume they’re basically folk who wish to do good work.

    And I’m for busting the Teachers Union. Teachers, and all public servants should be held in same respect as our soldiers. One of the things preventing that deserved respect is this Teamsters gag.

    I want those Union dues in our teacher’s pockets, instead of some fat cat Union boss’ pockets. And I’m in favor of making teaching about teaching again.

    That means Gov. Walker should invoice back to Dept. of Ed every stupid mandate they send down from Olympus that takes teachers away from teaching. Drive it through the courts and pay that money directly to teachers involved. “Yep, all our fifth graders know how to put a condom on a banana now. Only a third of them can read of course, but here’s your invoice.”

    Shake it out Conservatives. This is NOT a ‘those people’ episode. This is pro-child, pro-teacher, anti-corruption, anti-dumba$$ episode.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    You should see Bill O’Reilly’s thread on that yesterday. There was a lively discussion on that—but it’s not just because of the teachers—the parents have their share of blame too, as well as administrators. Everyone needs to own up. (It’s article #42018; this is article 42026.)

    When Hilary Clinton said “it takes a village”, the “village” was another term for society at large.

    The problem: Schools are having to pull double- or triple-duty.

  • Anthony998

    The U.S. got involved in the Vietnam conflict as a way for the U.S. to push back against Soviet hegemony in the area, to keep yet another country from becoming a satellite state of the USSR, which propped up the vile dictatorship of Ho Chi Mihn, whose warcrimes and human rights violations were completely ignored by the western, communist lapdog media. And yes, the tactics of the Johnson administration of trying to micromanage the war were ridiculous, instead of letting the military commanders on the ground do their job. You bring up the same old claptrap about it being based on “false pretenses”, the same crap liberals said about the first gulf war, alleging there were no WMD’s in Iraq,and that we were the to steal the Iraqi oil. If liberals like you are such experts on foreign policy ,why don’t you run for public office?

  • Tamglesca

    Capitalist bankers are the ones who should be regarded as organised criminals. They have robbed trillions from tax payers around the world and thrown hard working people on the scrap heap. Their greed has no limits and they remain hungry for bonuses from impoverished taxpayers.

    Soon all Americans will be impoverished, apart from the greedy super-rich. The increase in poverty is being sustained and the top 5% will soon have it all.

    How many more people do the capitalist bankers want to see on food stamps? Oh I forgot they think you should not eat after they stole your job!

    The revolt against the worldwide banksters is beginning all over the world. When the cheap oil and food that is consumed by bankrupt America starts to be beyond the price the population can pay, Americans will have to join the revolt or starve.

    There is no shortage of food but it will be just too expensive. There will be no shortage of oil, but you won’t be able to buy it. It is already happening in the Middle East and Europe and you don’t have long to wait.

    Banksterism, big oil and the military/industrial complex are all recipients of huge payouts from governments (out of the pockets of taxpayers).

    Free enterprise was killed by monopoly government financed capitalism where the biggest thieves are subsidised by the taxpayer.

    Profits are regarded as free enterprise wins and losses are losses only to the taypayer as the monopoly capitalists are too big to fail.

    BTW. They will never expect to stop receiving bonuses and huge profits created by unnecessary wars.

  • Anthony998

    I wish the liberal media would really stop being so over dramatic about what is going on with these bunch of public employee union crybabies in Wisconsin, it is time to move on. They want to make it out as if this is Armegeddon or something. I was out of work for 13 months before I finally got a job, and this job is at a significant pay cut from my previous job, but I am happy to have a job (in the private sector, where I don’t get a taxpayer funded pension).

  • patriot1792

    I agree, it is not only teachers that are causing the problems. But that doesn’t do anything to prove more money should be thrown at the problem.

    Clinton’s “it takes a village” theory isn’t true either. It takes a family to raise a child, not a village.

  • RenegadeScholar

    Capitalist bankers are the ones who should be regarded as organised criminals

    Why limit yourself? How about RICO for Unions, and Wall Street bankers (who, by the way, fund democrats and vote for them). After all, it was the Left that encouraged housing speculation via the Community Reinvestment Act and their lackeys in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Let’s not forget that they also gave alot of money to Senator Obama, and got nice golden parachutes for destroying the housing market.

    Don’t forget–Big Business LOVES big Government. It’s much easier to bribe a bureacrat to make GE flourescent bulbs mandatory (for our own good, of course) than it is to convince 100,000,000 people to choose them over incandescent.

    Let’s take down the “Big Government” and their financiers in “Big Business” at the same time.

    The problem with capitalism is that there are too few capitalists, not too many. Let’s increase the numbers.

  • RenegadeScholar

    good teachers won’t take it, and will jump for the private sector once the first opportunity opens up

    Adam, that’s been going on a long time. Many quality teachers have already left. I can’t tell you how many teachers I’ve met at small private schools who work for less money, just to get away from the stifling government and union rules so they can actually do what they love–teach kids.

    Ironically many of the public school teachers I’ve met were the parents of students I knew at these private schools.

    I home school my kids, and so we are taking over the role of teachers for free–in fact at considerable expense, both in lost income and expensive school materials.

    Wouldn’t have it any other way, though. My kids are glowing compared to public schooled kids.

  • RenegadeScholar

    And unions are all about mediocrity

    Ain’t that the truth…!

    One of my first jobs was to work in a unionized warehouse as a temp replacement worker. The first day on the job, I got warned to “not work so hard.”

    As you said, it’s just an effort to yank achievers back to mediocrity.

  • RenegadeScholar

    the parents have their share of blame too

    There’s some truth to that, but mostly the blame goes to parents for allowing the state to force them to send their kids to school. The kid’s education is up to the parents and the kids–not the state.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    You’re missing another reason for leaving—the more controlled atmosphere that’s conducive to learning. The problem then is that the public schools are stuck with those fresh out of college essentially in a trial by fire having to sink or swim, and without enough good teachers to mentor. It’s a cycle.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Yeah, but the guy we were backing wasn’t exactly an angel himself.

  • terry1956

    glad you found work and that its in the private sector and I hope for your sake non union.

  • terry1956

    dang thats what they told me when I went to work for TVA back in the late 70s.
    I finished what was suppose to be by work for the whole shift in 2 hours.

  • terry1956

    well not all big firms but a sizeable percentage.
    Thats why many of them worked with FDR for a dollar a day putting together the NRA simlar to the way big business and unions worked and encouraged the fascist government in Italy.

  • terry1956

    A few years back I saw a ad of a lady Spanish tutor of school age children that guranteed after a certain time the student would be bilinqual or the parent would owe no money.

  • terry1956

    well i’m not a progressive, I’m a constitutional libertarian.
    Baker said the first gulf war was about jobs when he was under the NWO Bush.
    Which was nonsense.

  • terry1956

    Who should FDR have backed in WW2 Stalin or Hitler.?
    Well he made the wrong choice he backed both when it should have been neither.
    Now his intention was not to back Hitler but he did so indirectly because he hated the german people so much and wanted to turn then permanently into an subjected agriculture based econmony nation and ignored the German resistance against Hilter and the Nazis.
    truman had a little more sense but not much more.

  • terry1956

    replace the government school system with vouchers which still can be used for the former government school the child was going to if the parent wants that.
    But I tell you a teacher could make more money and find more rewards of a job well done by starting her own one teacher school.
    8,000 dollar voucher per student per year, 50 kids a gross of 400,000 a year, 10 kids would still be 80,000. expenses not likely to be a large percentage.
    Yeah there might be McSchools and EduKings chains that may not pay so good but we have a lot more family run restraunts thse days even with all the chains than we had before there was very few chains.

  • terry1956

    na it was not the derivatives that caused the problem it was the leveraging with demand deposits, government gurantees and doing a switcharoo by replacing the US dollar- silver coins with the federal reserve dollar.
    Dodd- Franklin is illegal just like fannie, freddie, the federal reserve, the sec, FDIC and federal legal tender legislation and bans on melting down US mint coins in your legal control.
    Fratured reserves on demand deposits is a deception that should be stopped by state laws.

  • terry1956

    Amen to that and the blame should also be shared by the natural leadership in private institutions business, churches, media for not encourging the parents enough to stop putting up with it.

  • terry1956

    those jews and jevoah witness babies were the blame I guess for ending up in the gas chamber because they let the nazis do it to them.

  • DanB_Tiffin

    So, Lord Haw Haw here steps out of the “Islamic” articles to post his usual taunts, lies, and propaganda. Just like Lord Haw Haw the traitor and liar of old that the Brits hung after they caught him post WWII.

    The old Lord Haw Haw hid in Germany to post (sorry, I mean broadcast) his filth, just like this Lord Haw Haw hides across the pond.

  • Tamglesca

    Both Republicans and Democrats are in the pockets of Banks and will always help them as they need to finance their elections.

    The general population is getting poorer and all increases in living standards come from ever expanding credit as wages have been losing value for 20 years. Any increase in income for the bottom 90% has to be financed by borrowed money as the standard of living can no longer be paid for by a real increase in earned income.

    It is only the wealthy super-rich capitalists who will not allow any form of competition that keep increasing their incomes.

    There will soon be no room for the small businesses which are the main bringers of real prosperity.

    There is too much real capitalism as it is merely an American misnomer for free enterprise. Free enterprise is about competition. The owners of monlithic banks, arms production companies and big oil have no wish for any kind of competition and all governments make siure they don’t get any.

    Government expenditure and manipulation is what keeps US capitalism healthy. One third of all oil is used by the military. Military expenditure is out of control and the taxpayer must pay. The banks just keep any profits and the taxpayer has to pay the losses as well as paying the next round of bank bonuses.

    The capitalists export US jobs and then want to penalize their own unemployed victims.

    The system stinks and it is a healthy sign it is collapsing in on itself. The Fed is printing the dollar to its death and as soon as the dollar is no longer used by other countries as the reserve currency it will collapse and the scam of bretton Woods will have played out its course.

  • Tamglesca

    Lord Haw haw was an American called William Joyce and supported Hitler just like Dubya’s grandaddy.

    So where are the lies?

    I suppose you don’t think the Banks take bonuses.

    I suppose you think that the Military/Industrial complex is just part of free enterprise.

    I suppose you think being too big to fail is all about free enterprise.

  • Tamglesca

    Yes and Wall Street gets bail outs as they are too big to fail. The taxpayer has to pick up the tab for any future bonuses too. The next crash is just around the corner.

    There is no free enterprise anymore for the fat cats.

  • DanB_Tiffin

    You are so sick with hatred of American that you can never see the point. Again, it does not matter where William Joyce was born. He was, like you are, a traitor to his people, his culture, and in favor of a murderous foreign cult.

    As for supporting Hitler, YOU are the one who called Churchill a War Monger. No one else has. You lie so often, nothing you say is believable, just common taunts and propaganda like Lord Haw Haw, your twin.

  • Tamglesca

    The US got involved in Vietnam to stop an election as they feared it would produce a pro-communist government. The French had signed a peace treaty with the North and part of the deal according to the Geneva accords was for there to be an election to be held in South Vietnam.

    The CIA overthrew the government of South Vietnam and installed Diem before an election could be held. Diem refused to have any kind of election. When he became too arrogant the CIA got some ARVN officers to assassinate him and then had another dictator appointed.

    The war was stoked up by a US false flag operation in the Gulf of Tonkin.

    The total US defeat was not a good price for anyone to pay for denying democracy to the people of South Vietnam.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3JKYECDK63I2B3CFZHKW2VRAAA Richard

    And an unindicted accessory to murder in W. Va. coal mine strike.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    In Vietnam, however, and I’m not sure if the media highlighted this, the head of South Vietnam was an SOB himself.

    Granted, the USA has to look out for #1, but be upfront about it.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    The layoffs, however, appear to be a foregone conclusion. The deadline to stop it was Friday.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Union people are not automatic Democratic votes, however…far from it.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    You must have a different definition of accessory to murder than me. I can’t agree with you here, and this is probably my first point of disagreement here.

    I have not seen evidence that Trumka ordered the hit. Anyone writing that he incited it could in fact be exposed to libel. That said, I don’t trust the guy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Lyster/100001242104233 Michael Lyster

    The general populace is not getting ooorer. Many of them made very poor real estate and credit card decisions for ten years. Actions have consequences.
    The vast majority of the ‘proletariat’ (that’s what you Marxists still call them, n’est-ce pas?) have color television, cell phones, a car—or two; a majority—still–own their homes; a larger median home than in the 50′s or 60′s; one or two computers;it goes on and on. Hey, BTW: who INVENTED all of that stuff? Yes: filthy capitalists. Like me, and most of the rest of us in this free enterprise economy. I’ve got more than you (probably) because I work hard, and I’m smart (and humble), and use my talents in an area where they’re in demand, and appropriateyl rewarded.
    “Too much capitalism” is another way of saying “I’m a loser in a free economy, and I want to wipe the financial Etch-A-Sketch clean”. Sorry, loser: we like it free and open.
    Agree with you that government expenditures are far, far too high. Cut them soon, and drastically. Go away, Marx Jr: your century is over.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Lyster/100001242104233 Michael Lyster

    Well said, sir. Thank you for your informed perspective.

  • http://twitter.com/notaleftlist Saali

    Hear heaR!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-R-Olson/1248587113 James R. Olson

    Fat cat union bosses? Are you personally acquainted with any?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-R-Olson/1248587113 James R. Olson

    A recipe for a race to the bottom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-R-Olson/1248587113 James R. Olson

    Oh Adam, stop confusing them with facts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-R-Olson/1248587113 James R. Olson

    Rachel, no one who actually works for a living works 15 hours a day.If you actually are doing something for which you are paid for fifteen hours that is prime facia evidence that whatever you are doing it’s not work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-R-Olson/1248587113 James R. Olson

    Yes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Lyster/100001242104233 Michael Lyster

    Waaaaahhhh.
    He introduced the bill. The Democrats RAN AWAY. Like 12 year old girls.
    Taxpayers are sick and tired of paying for gold plated union benefits and health care. They are at AN END. Try to keep up. People will get fired s a result of efforts to derail collective bargaining limits; more state activities will be shifted to private contractors; ‘Unionist’ will continue to acquire the slimy, unpalatable character in the public eye that it already has.
    The rest of us have to carry out our professions to get paid. And, we need to do it in a reasonably capable fashion. Too many people ‘hide out’ in union jobs. No more.
    Carry on, Governor Walker. Well done.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Lyster/100001242104233 Michael Lyster

    Oh, good God. “Wall Street! Wall Street!” Liberals and collectivists never, ever STOP with their envy-based world view.
    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were central culprits in the economic meltdown we’ve experienced. Wall Street investment entities were hardly pure as the driven snow—but then, when HAVE they been?
    I didn’t see you and yours whining about Wall Street when your 401k and mutual fund investments were skyrocketing in the 90′s. No; they might have been scoundrels then, as now: but they were YOUR scoundrels, and so its OK.
    Giant bonuses at Goldman and others? Who cares. I work. I make a living. What do you, or the chairman of Goldman, or my next door neighbor with a slightly nicer home make? Who cares.
    barney Frank, and Chris Dodd and Fannie/Freddie were central in advancing the mantra that everyone should own a home. They COMPELLED–yes, that’s the word I mean—banks to extend mortgages to less-than-stellar individuals in order to maintain their participation in the mortgage industry. And, you’ll NEVER guess what happened: too many people bought too much house with too little margin of safety, expecting the financial trees to grow to the sky. And one day, the trees fell.
    And once again, liberals with their responsibility-free, envy-based conception of the world weren’t willing to say to many (not all) of those now in foreclosure, “Y’know what? You were an idiot. Shouldn’t have contracted for a $400,000 home with 2% down on a $65,000 income in sales. Bad call: you lose.” No, no: let’s blame the evil bankers.
    The difference between liberals and ground squirrels?
    A ground squirrel learns to avoid self-damaging behaviors, and knows he has to store food for himself for the winter. And, I wouldn’t chase a ground squirrel off my property…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Lyster/100001242104233 Michael Lyster

    No; one right makes a right. Learn to count.
    They held a vote, and nobody (from your side) of the aisle came. Self-inflicted wound. Win more seats in the legislature next time. As if.